Slog - Comments on Dirty Tricks? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks Slog tipper Paul writes... I hadn't seen anything anywhere else about this yet, but thought I'd mention. I got robocalled at about 6:30 last night by recording of a woman who urged me in very enthusiastic and empowering language to "make my vote count by mailing in my primary ballot." I'm on the Hill in the 43rd, I've never voted anything but Democratic ever, gave to Obama this year, and voted Dem in the 2004 caucus. They certainly didn't get my number as an identified Republican voter. No org was identified in the call before it abruptly ended and caller... Copyright 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:07:03 -0800 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:06:30 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by vooodooo84 Umm... Hillary Clinton

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928177 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928177 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:16:52 -0800 Comment by J.R. I blame the Masons. And maybe the Paultards.

]]> J.R. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928184 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928184 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:18:22 -0800 Comment by Judah Who is making these robocalls? Well, that depends on who stands to gain by suppressing turnout at this weekend’s Democratic caucuses…

Er, no. It depends on who's paying for it. The answer to that question may be implied by who stands to gain, but implication isn't proof.

I seem to recall you struggled with this concept in the Capitol Hill knife slaying as well. Maybe a little remedial study is in order.

]]> Judah http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928189 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928189 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:20:19 -0800 Comment by arduous Why would Clinton or Obama gain by robocalls supressing turnout? Even if only 5 people show up to caucus, Washington still gets the same number of delegates, right? But I believe the 2012 primary delegates are partially allocated by how many Dems show up Saturday if I'm remembering correctly. So the question you have to ask is, who is planning to run in the 2012 primary who doesn't think Washington will go their way?

]]> arduous http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928194 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928194 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:23:35 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Wooo Hillary! Ugh! Fuckin' bitches!

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928204 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928204 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:25:25 -0800 Comment by tsm Why would Clinton or Obama gain by robocalls supressing turnout?

Targeted turnout suppression could certainly help. The recipient of this robocall, as noted, was an Obama donor, and thus probably on a list somewhere.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928209 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928209 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:27:23 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 Plus the voters for some one who is expected to win in a landslide are less motivated to caucus if an impediment gets in their way such as bad weather, since their candidate is likely to win anyway.

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928238 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928238 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:35:06 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Arduous, you gdt partial credit. The '12 Dem delegates are awarded based on votes for the Dems in the general election.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928247 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928247 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:39:34 -0800 Comment by arduous @6, yeah but targeting Obama donors would be a huge waste of money for a strapped Clinton campaign, don't you think? Of anyone, campaign donors are probably the most savvy as to how exactly the Washington primary process works. So none of them would fall for the trick.

]]> arduous http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928249 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928249 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:40:13 -0800 Comment by Bauhaus There's a PSA running on the local stations from the Secretary of State informing voter's how important the primary is. It can be seen at:

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/office/video/Presidential%20Primary%20revised%202.wmv

It's a very misleading ad if nominating delegates are chosen via caucuses.

]]> Bauhaus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928251 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928251 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:41:20 -0800 Comment by kerri harrop I've received 2 robocalls from Hill's camp in the last 24 hours. She's the only one calling me, getting on my last nerve.

I hate robocalls. At least have a human try to talk me into your shit.

]]> kerri harrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928258 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928258 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:44:13 -0800 Comment by tsm Wow, I miss out on so much drama by not having a land line. Whatever will dirty tricksters do when everyone is like me and robocalls can't reach anyone anymore?

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928264 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928264 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:47:07 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 I used to like Sam Reed, if he wants to be a primary state rather than a caucus one, he needs to be honest with voters about why that is better. But don't lie to us

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928276 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928276 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:51:32 -0800 Comment by lostboy tsm @12

Whatever will dirty tricksters do when everyone is like me and robocalls can't reach anyone anymore?

They'll change the rules about calling mobile phones, duh.

]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928286 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928286 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:53:38 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Sam Reed doesn't want us to be anything. He's just following the law. The law says there has to be a primary. Reed has no say in whether the WA Dems pay attention to it or not.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928290 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928290 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:54:57 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 He can frame the issue in a way that is not misleading. thats his whole fucking job, informing voters and running the elections.

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928326 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928326 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:05:36 -0800 Comment by Brendan Sam Reed isn't following the law when he writes in the Voters' Pamphlet that voting in the primary will help choose the nominees. He lied and tried to mislead the voters.

]]> Brendan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928355 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928355 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:19:33 -0800 Comment by Andy Niable Suspicious as this might be--Does the Stranger maybe want to investigate the last-minute changes of a caucus location in Eastern Washington from a student-friendly location to one miles away?

]]> Andy Niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928365 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928365 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:24:03 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The intent of the law is that the primary will choose the delegates. The party is going against the law. Reed is not in the business of adjudicating intra-party squabbles.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928406 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928406 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:45:09 -0800 Comment by Lose-Lose Reaks of Hillary. Read the headlines: Obama is huge in Seattle; KeyArena will be packed; robocalls are relatively cheap (especially if you maxed out on your donation and want to do something "independent" to influence the caucus) "Young" voters (or make that just "most" voters) are confused by the primary/caucus system. Do we need to trace the breadcrumbs all the way to Chappaqua?

]]> Lose-Lose http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928437 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928437 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:53:12 -0800 Comment by left coast We got a Repub call last night too, and we're deep in McDermott territory. Unless we're voting for first in line in hell, we're not voting Repub for anything.

]]> left coast http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928476 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928476 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:08:01 -0800 Comment by hm >They'll change the rules about calling mobile phones, duh.

There are rules about that? Because I've gotten a few robocalls on my cell phone.

]]> hm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928500 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928500 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:15:50 -0800 Comment by infrequent why the sam reed hate? he seems pretty fair to me. especially in this case, where he is just following the law.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928542 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928542 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:31:10 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @21 - oh, I don't know, I'd vote for GOP for drafted for the war, or for drafted to be waterboarded ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928781 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/dirty_tricks#c928781 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:06:30 -0800