Not to change the subject, but the PI is saying Hill (not Bill) will be here on Friday.

Ya think?

guess there was no appreciable andrew sullivan effect

Maybe it had something to do with Obama not wanting to have his picture taken with Gavin Newsome when marriage was oh-so-briefly sort of legal in California.

Or that Hillary Clinton looks fabulous in a pants suit.

Brendan beat me to it....

As a San Franciscan, that was the headline at the SF Chron and very talked about on Super Tuesday

Remember "Can't Wait" commenting earlier how crushed he was when we helped elect BillC and got Don't Ask, Don't Tell in return?

Hope Obama's clumsy handling of the McClurkin bit isn't a preview of how he will rate gays, "ex-gays" and evangelicals after election day.

But why wouldn't it be?

Um, ok, whatever.

Still looking forward to seeing Obama for free this Friday.

It doesn't matter with any of the remaining candidates. We'll be thrown under the bus and crushed!

"This is what happens when you align yourself with the ex-gay movement and refuse to have your photo taken with gavin newsom.

I am so proud of the gay community for finally rejecting politicians who pander to homophobic Christians for votes."

-someone's comment over there

Why pander to 80% of a population in a democratic country? Because it gets you elected to where you actually have the power to do something about social injustices.

Please send Hillary some money:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/06/politics/main3799059.shtml

http://thepage.time.com/2008/02/06/page-exclusive-some-clinton-senior-staff-working-without-pay/

It's no secret, gays are terrified of straight black men.

Southern California Mexicans hate them too so there's your breakdown.

I got the exact same vibe at Moe last night. gays like hillary overwhelmingly. if only there were more gays in the U.S. or at least less closeted republican assholes, hillary might have a chance.

@13: But gay Western Washington Mexicans, like me, love Obama!

if we get a Clinton/Obama ticket for fall, then the gays/blacks/latinos/wimmins will take over the country and deport all the straight, male honkies!!

hooray!

Golly gee, I just hope if she gets in she doesn't cave in on things like Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DOMA, like Bill did. And I wish she'd actually use the GAY word to mainstream audiences and call them out on their homophobia, like Barack does. But heck, the HRC seems to love her, so that means we've GOT to vote her in...

How on EARTH are gays supporting this woman? I just don't understand. She gave us DOMA and DADT. Sorry, her husband gave us that. And she stood there and smiled while hosting state dinners and cutting ceremonial ribbons.

Barack Obama speaks about including gays and lesbians in a whole lot of his speeches in front of mixed audiences. Hillary decides to give interviews to the gay press. Which furthers the broader country-wide debate? Hint: Hillary fellating our community in the gay press isn't the answer.

Sigh.

@16!!!!!!!!!

ok amigo, um, tienes razon, um, er, todo sera bien, ahem, viva la revolucion!(?) de veras!

hasta lumbago, er, luego.. ..

hillary will fuck over the gays just as surely as obama will. and the middle class & the environment & the peaceniks & the dope smokers.

this is a plutocracy. our "democracy" is window dressing - nothing essential changes. just because the figurehead is half african or has a vagina means squat.

I can't believe you guys don't know how this plays out already.

The Clinton/McCain mixed ticket will win unchallenged in the election with the lowest voter turn out in history.

Obama will be assassinated in 2012 just as he's crossing the finish line.

The upshot of the next 12 years won't be anything notable. Gays will still have no marriage rights, health care will not be any better. Roe v Wade will still be in perilous danger of being overturned, environmental issues will be addressed with fines on citizens exceeding carbon limits while industry (and jobs) will simply move to places a little less Kyoto and alot more slavelabor. Our economy will get bad. Ppor people won't get any poorer because they can't. Just alot of white folks are going to be finding out what it's like to make school dresses out of flower sacks and subsist on staple comodoties like beans, rice, cheese and peanutbutter.

On the bright side, Mexicans will still be here, thank god.

If you say Barack Obama is not going to take care of gay's rights, then I think you may have him misunderstood.

He's gone on RECORD, saying he doesn't approve of Donnie's B.S. Having him sing for him was a political misstep for sure, but I think it represents his ability to reach across the aisle.

If we don't reach out to all people, narrow-minded or not, we'll never solve this problem. MLK didn't make things right by only talking to black people did he?

Ignoring evangelicals won't make them go away, and the only person who I think is qualified to make them change their stupid little minds is Barack Obama.

Hilary is divisive, and that approach hasn't gotten gays anything, ever. You had her as a first lady for 8 years, and she didn't do anything then... What's going to change now? If she's chalking those years as a carpetbagger up to "experience" then what the hell was she doing for 8 years?

I would like nothing more than to be wrong and see a day where we're all equals, but I don't think Hillary will make that happen. She is incapable.

duderino: barack making that one mistake is enough for me to rule him out altogether. what has he done for aids/hiv research? is he being supported by the LGBT? NO! Oh and by the way, HILLARY CLINTON IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Not Bill Clinton, not Chelsea Clinton - HILLARY CLINTON. Get that straight.

Hillay Clinton is a brand. Voting for her is like buying McDonalds or Nike sneakers. Her political base is not judging her as a person or policymaker; it's judging her as a Clinton, end of story. Clinton supporters are Democrats who were so shell-shocked by Bush that the only way out they see is by reinstating the past, what might now be called the mythical Clinton Golden Age. Or it's misguided women who think she represents the "feminist" vote. It has nothing to do with her as a person. Without her name she's nothing. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't much care for Obama either. Her domestic policy ideas are far better than his, but they're still shit.

I think her winning would be a sign that the Republic has truly devoured itself. If you're OK with family dynasties, good for you. I'm not. People dismiss that as conspiratorial, but actually there is nothing conspiratorial about it; it's a text book example of dynastic power.

Of course, sadly enough, another Republican president would be even worse for the country, so if she gets the nomination I will have to plug my nose and vote for her.

When pressed, most of my friends reasoning for supporting Clinton stops at "Guuuuurl - she's FIERCE" followed by a finger snap in the air, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

I thought that header said "Clinton Bangs Gay Vote in California."

My subconscious is such a beast!

Here is an interesting development...I wonder how much Clinton appreciates that 60% support. I wonder how much Obama would like to earn it if he ends up with the most delegates...

If the court decides in favor of same sex marriage, the amendment that is gathering signatures right now will have a better chance of passing.

Will either of these candidates put themselves on the line? Will they allow the right wing fanatics to march to ballot box in November to pass an amendment AND vote for McCain while they are there??

Warring sides in same-sex marriage debate look to court date

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

Wednesday, February 6, 2008

(02-06) 18:28 PST SAN FRANCISCO - The California Supreme Court scheduled a March 4 hearing Wednesday for the long-awaited clash between gay-rights advocates, the state and religious conservatives over the constitutionality of banning same-sex marriage.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/06/BACPUTN95.DTL

Teh gays are evidently not progressive. It's almost as if the ones in CA don't read the Stranger.

Um, but returns show that Obama won San Francisco County by almost 8%, almost a reverse of the statewide returns...

SF County Returns

@26 That's exactly it. Most fags would rather engage in frivolous diva worship than attempt to have a rational thought and make a mature decision about something as serious as an election.

No way will Hillary get this gay man's vote. Fool me once...

This issue really has influenced how I feel about a lot of my friends. I'm in my mid-30s. I am also a cultural/political/historical junkie, I can probably tell you which state went for which candidate going back most of this century.

I'm also gay. And, I'm not one of those so-above-gay-culture, intellectual, Emo gays either....I'm a Madonna-listening, gym-attending, circuit-party going, gay. I don't have scruffy hair and hang out at Cha Cha. I hate Ballard. I wear a wife-beater to show off my arms.

But even I'm pretty much disgusted at how many of my friends support Hillary Clinton with NO REASONING WHATSOEVER. Now, I can see straight party line voting...and I even understand voting Clinton WITH SOLID REASONS. From my first hand experience the gay boys are far, far more guilty than the women with identity politics (misguided identity..but uh, okay) and voting for someone based on their plumbing.

Gay men: you are not women, fierce or otherwise!

Spoken like a MAN wearing a wife beater.

Thanks, Jason!

I had no idea I was not a woman.

So what's wrong with Ballard? Oh that's right, it's not on Capitol Hill.

I've never seen or heard anything from Clinton to make me think that she'd be any great Friend O' Fags, and her husband basically turned on us.

Obama? I can't say that I'm impressed with his willingness to be anti-gay-marriage for public consumption, but . . .what choice does he really have? I'd be shocked if he voted for something like DOMA or DADT. I have greater trust in him to, if not really help us, at least not totally throw us under the bus when politically expedient to do so.

@23,

You know, if you don't want to support Obama, fine, great, support your candidate, but don't make shit up/be so blatantly ignorant.

In the Illinois State Senate, Obama consistently fought for increased funding for HIV/AIDS research. He's come out strongly in favor of increasing funds for research and for fighting HIV/AIDS on a global scale.

But don't take my word for it.

hey, is it just me? I don't see the gay/lesbian vote data under the link given... where's the data?

It's on the second page...and it's 4% of fewer than 2000 responses. So this is based on 75 people? Sounds like it's hard to get a good representation of gay California with 75 people. Or maybe it's not...

I won't support Obama for alot of reasons. Most especially because of his pandering to the "holier than thou" crowd. The white man's slave religion is nothing to brag about.

#40: when you find me that athiest candidate I'll definitely vote for him/her!!

Emily!

I KNOW it's Hillary running for election. My point was though... she's saying "vote for me because I'm experienced", and she's chalking up those years as first lady as "experience". So, since she did so much in those years to qualify them as "experience"... What exactly did she do? More specifically, in regards to this post, what did she do for the gay community? NOTHING.

She's been in the White House before and she did jack shit for us.

If her campaign said "I wasn't really in control, and didn't do anything when I was first lady", then I'd be like... Okay, I'll give you a shot. But, since she's chalking up those years as experience, she needs to have something to show for them. And she does NOT.

Gays, I hope you enjoy this view -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/23133187@N00/526361117/ -- because you'll be seeing a lot of this if Hillary gets elected.