Comments on Bad Boys

I'm at a loss for a snide, witty comment. Charles, that is just plain sick, and for you to defend him or sympathhze with him is wrong wrong wrong.

ummm. ok?

and in olden days people also stoned gay people and kept black people as slaves. beating a students head against a door bolt ain't cool, ya fool.

shining scholar and menacing leopard my ass.

Such an obvious attempt at provocation only succeeds in being boring.

Alright now, time to go boil us up some pit bulls. Right after Charles gets done nailin' them cats to the tree. Yee-haw!

hmm I don't know. I feel sorry for both parties. I feel sorry for the teacher that the students weren't behaving after he repeatedly asked them to stop. I think he used excessive force. I hit on the knuckles probably would've been enough with a phone call or note sent to the parents explaining what happened.

for the students, i do feel sorry for them for having been hurt by their teacher. honestly, they should behave in class at all times.

however, I think it's the parents' fault for not disciplining their kids at home and teaching them to always respect their teachers and behave in class.

Menacing leopard! Hilarious. Raaaaaar!

i really do hate noisy boys. it's a real problem. and it has nothing to do with race or sex. it is a matter of boys being noisy and disrupting class, learning, reading.

Oh wait, it's even funnier: in the HTML, this post says "menacing panther" but in the RSS it says "menacing leopard." Hee! Both versions suggest a man prowling around the school in a spandex catsuit, whiskers mascaraed on his face.

who doesnt charles hate. if a teacher wanted to beat his child he would cut the switch for the teacher.

Were you raised during the depression?

i feel sympathy for the teacher as well. maybe this is just a provocative post and i'm revealing my ignorance. but discipline problems are so frustrating. when you reach the point you cannot teach because one or two students are unwilling to behave and unwilling to let their peers learn, and yet there is nothing you can do.... when you reach that point what happens?

as a side note, we love it in the movies when the calm character finally stands up to the problem character and breaks free from the restraints that bind us all in to rational and acceptable behavior.

i'm completely against violence in reality, and think that a teacher who cannot control a temper should not be a teacher, and should face charges. but that doesn't mean i cannot feel sympathy for such a teacher.

Infrequent, yes, you are. Revealing your ignorance, that is. That's like saying it's OK to shake a baby because it's crying. We're supposed to be the adults here, remember?

@11, I agree with you and that's been a continual debate in pedagogy. What do you do when you have unruly children in your class that continue to be unruly no matter what you do, if it includes disciplining verbally, sending them to the administrator's office for disciplining or even talking to their parents about the issue. What's a teacher to do when their parents refuse to help and blame them for their children's behavior in class? Have them removed when the teacher's goal is to give that student an education? If so, then that's a failure where blame is placed either on the school system or the student's parents.

@10. He was raised in Africa (well Zimbabwe to be exact) where most students have the enthusiasm, desire, and motivation to learn and attend school to get that education to climb the social ladder so that they can be something important in life and make their parents and community proud of them. That's what's lacking with most kids in the US today and quite frankly that's what separates most international students, who come from 3rd world countries, in the US school system from native-born students.

kids on the beat! kids on the street! beat kids! beat kids!

@12. nice. yes, sympathizing with with a teacher of older and disruptive children is the exact same thing as me advocating shaking babies.

i LOVE the expression "black form of a menacing panther". the teacher sounds like a total bad ass, and boys are horrible.

Yes, infrequent, it is EXACTLY the same. If an adult teacher can't handle a snot-nosed juvenile delinquent without resorting to beating the living shit out of him, well, that teacher is not only in tge wrong job, but has other, more serious, issues as well.

@18 in my post i said i thought it was wrong, and i thought that type person shouldn't be teaching. but are you telling me you've never felt like slapping someone who knows better but is talking back to you?

i certainly don't apply that same standard to a baby. a baby doesn't know better, and i've never been tempted to shake a baby. i don't think shaking a baby is "using a language they understand", and there is nothing in me that leads me to believe shaking a baby would even stop it from crying.

If you shake the baby really really hard, it will stop crying...forever.

Charles was taking you back to the time and place he was in to make you feel what it was like to be one of those students. You can still moralize about it without killing the messenger.

i think killing the messenger would be like shaking the baby.

@14 - For my job, I have been doing quite alot of research on approaches different countries take towards structuring their schools. One of the things that really struck me was how in many east and southeast Asian countries, the class size can be upwards of 50-55 students. That would never work here, given that American kids are not brought up in a society that teaches absolute respect for ones elders.

@7, yeah I'm sure after the beating the students got right back to work. Uh huh.

More useless crap from Charles. Anyone making a tally?

Old Monty Python bit:

Dear Sir, When I was at school, I was beaten regularly every thirty minutes, and it never did me any harm - except for psychological maladjusunent and blurred vision.