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So if Clinton somehow manages to win in Washington tonight, how does she spin that? It would be her third primary where the delegates dont count. Is it even an election if it doesnt count?
I believe they call it an advisory vote if it doesn't count
Despite the fact that the dem primary is meaningless, as of right now way more votes in the dem column than the repugs.
Statewide Obama and Clinton are neck and enck, but in KC, it's Obama by a comfortable margin.
It was pretty much neck and neck up until King started coming in. It's been Obama by 8,000+ votes since that point. No update from Pierce and Snohomish but those will bump Obama even further.
I'm using http://vote.wa.gov/elections/wei/Results.aspx?RaceID=0&ElectionID=0&RaceTypeCode=O
If the Clinton campaign wasn't still actively campaigning in Washington state, and the primary proved that her constituency wasn't represented in the caucus, then it might mean something.
Instead, Hillary is campaigning where nobody else is (see also, Florida), which makes the outcome of the primary meaningless.
@5 why does that link say 100% total votes then...
Well, so long as we get our TEN MILLION DOLLARS worth...
@7, that 100% doesn't mean that 100% of the votes are counted. it means of the votes counted, all the slices/candidates add up to 100%.
Of course Hillary's campaign will try to spin things if she comes out on top, but supposing that is the outcome, what does it really mean?
My conjecture: Obama supporters are less likely to abide stupid, meaningless votes. Doesn't mean people in Washington suddenly like Hillary.
The vote on the Dem side is now up 120,000 over the repugs. And almost double have voted in a meaningless primary as attended the actually meant something caucuses.
67% in a cuacus & 49% in an election is a freaking 18 pint drop off showing Obama's touted elecatability and current lead in the nomination contest comes -- in part -- from his ability to rouse the passion of a minority that can swamp a caucus.
This primary was equally meaningless no one campaigned nor ran TV ads and both were on the ballot and this follows the news of 8 Obama victories and his inevitable nomination. That's a fairly level playing field.
Rising above the intra party fight, this shows that caucuses just suck as showing the will of the voters.
@9 Ahh, got it. Thanks.
@12 Don't you think that a lot of the people who knew the caucus was the only vote that counted and attended the caucus, didn't vote in the primary? I don't think this primary shows much of anything.
@12 Yeah, but they give you an extra 18 pints if you attend. That's good motivation...all I'd need was a few.
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I dropped my absentee ballot for Obama off at the polling place today.
Won't be counted until Friday.
Wake me on Saturday.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping all my friends go to www.43rddems.org/volunteer and help out.
Heck, just in my precinct alone (SEA 43-1350), we need a database person, an assistant PCO, a meeting host (so we can meet at your place and eat your coffee cake and drink your tea and coffee), and other volunteers.
unPC, why would anyone vote in a primary that didnt matter?
Why, @17?
Because in King County, if you don't vote absentee, you could vote for the Republican candidate and not declare you're a Republican ... somebody messed up big time ...
You guys think our caucuses were unrepresentative? According to the Honolulu Star only 4,000 people attended their 2004 caucus....and they were totally overwhelmed tonight by turnout that might have hit 20,000.
Heck, we had twice that just in our district ...
As of the latest flop (12:28 AM), the number of people voting in the dem primary is double the number that attended the caucus.
And 135,000 more people voted on the dem side. Can we say the repug party is toast in the state for now?
@17
To show support for their preferred candidate.
Some 1.2 million people voted. They all had enough reason to vote. Saying there is no reason to vote thus is to deny obvious data. It's running about 50-47% now. So a 15 point fall off in ten days from the caucus.
NOT GOOD INFO.
Suggests that Obama's 67% levels of support in some states (with caucuses) maybe is leading to an inflated view of his electability. He's only 4 points ahead of McCain. There is data in several exit polls showing the fall off of Clinton voters who won't vote for Obama is THE SAME as the % of Obama voters who won't vote for Clinton. Sorry no link but I found that on realclearpolitics.com.
There is a simple fix to minimize fall off, duh, but still many Obama supporters seem loathe to put unity into practice inside their own party. AS if being 4 poitns ahead is a solid lead after years and years of Democratic candidates losing 17 point leads.
Maybe unity's a bit like charity, you know, it's starts inside your own home.
Mmmm?
When are we going to see some ?
No, unPC, the reality is that the GOP, which used to have a 2:1 advantage in many states in turnout, is now at a 2:1 disadvantage.
People have soured on the Republicant brand.
I didn't vote, and don't care about the results. Democrats in this state already voted. All this primary demonstrates is that there are lots of people in this state who prefer meaningless popularity contests over real democracy.
I didn't vote, and don't care about the results. Democrats in this state already voted. All this primary demonstrates is that there are lots of people in this state who prefer meaningless popularity contests over real democracy.
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