Slog - Comments on And Now A Few Words Not About Obama http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama Hillary fans including Maria Cantwell, Jay Inslee, and Ron Sims will be talking about Clinton's energy plan at the Machinists Hall in South Seattle this afternoon from 3:15 to 4 pm. Duh, this event was on Saturday--but the campaign just sent out the notice today... which I guess doesn't bode well for Hils' organizing team in Washington State. But this still holds true: For a good reminder of why any Democrat (even one who voted for a huge oil and gas giveaway in 2005) will be better on energy issues than Bush, go here.... Copyright 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:01:47 -0800 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:19:58 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Not Laura Flanders "Which Womanhood Does Clinton Defend?", a good rebuttal to Robin Morgan's Hillary cheerleading peace can be found here:
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/76020/

]]> Not Laura Flanders http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924748 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924748 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:03:46 -0800 Comment by Ralph Erica,

I want to make a suggestion in good faith, because I am an Obama supporter. Elections are usually won by a candidate that gives off a positive, future looking message, "new frontier", "compassionate conservatism", "bridge to twenty-first century".

So, part of Hillary's problem is that she give off an embittered vibe, "hillary haters", "republican attack machine", "false hope". And honestly, your posting exemplifies this.

In my humble opinion you could do your candidate a favor by being less bitter towards Obama and instead articulating Hillary's vision so we can all learn to appreciate it like you do.

]]> Ralph http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924750 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924750 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:04:24 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave erica, there is more pro hillary stuff on the page right now than obama. and the majority is by you.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924762 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924762 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:08:08 -0800 Comment by kicking myself I could kick myself for not investing in oil futures 7 years ago. It was so fucking obvious.

]]> kicking myself http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924764 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924764 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:08:50 -0800 Comment by steve Are you an only child, Erica?
Cuz you sounds like someone who doesn't like to share her toys.

]]> steve http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924767 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924767 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:09:58 -0800 Comment by Chris B Is it too much to ask for a few words not about Obama, Hilary, caucuses, the elections... only there's something of a glut of information about that.

]]> Chris B http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924776 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924776 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:13:17 -0800 Comment by Jason Erica, can I ask how old you are? I am asking in all seriousness with no snarktitude. I'm curious in terms of outlook, generation, age during the Clinton years, historical perspective, etc. Were you an undergraduate in the early 90s? 1991-1995?

]]> Jason http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924786 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:17:17 -0800 Comment by Emma That event was on Saturday Erica -- but it was GREAT. Lots of interested people, lots of sign ups to volunteer, and Senator Cantwell phonebanking for Hillary.

]]> Emma http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924788 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924788 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:18:16 -0800 Comment by heywhatsit These posts have become tiresome. From now on I'll only check in on SLOG to read up on game nerds having sex with their girlfriends.

]]> heywhatsit http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924795 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924795 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:20:05 -0800 Comment by kim i was going to say it, but emma@8 beat me to it. it was a really great event, and very informative. hillary's energy plan is pretty stellar and full of that hope for the future that so many people seem to think hillary and her supporters lack (lots of incentives for green collar jobs, manufacturing and whatnot). anyone on the fence who missed that event can read about it on her website.

]]> kim http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924808 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924808 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:23:54 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I remember how, in eight years, we never saw any real action from Clinton on shifting America from a dependence on the Clinton-backing oil, coal, and gas industries.

Results matter.

Why should we believe them now?

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924809 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924809 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:24:11 -0800 Comment by grow up! good god, erica. give it a rest

]]> grow up! http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924810 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924810 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:24:33 -0800 Comment by Lloyd Cooney So, which is worse? Voting for Cheney's energy policy or naively voting to give GWB the authorization to attack Iraq in which hundreds of thousands of people have been killed?

I'm tired of hearing women whine about all of the supposed Hillary bashing. If she's nominated, you ain't see nothing yet.

]]> Lloyd Cooney http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924848 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924848 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:37:57 -0800 Comment by blah blah blah Erica isn't helping herself or her candidate. ...You should spend some time trying to help Sound Transit draft a plan that would pass whenever it's on the ballot again.

]]> blah blah blah http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924863 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924863 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:45:33 -0800 Comment by Mike in Pioneer Square Great post. Thanks, Erica, for presenting alternative views to the bizarre Obama myopia.

]]> Mike in Pioneer Square http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924870 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924870 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:48:27 -0800 Comment by passionateJus Erica,

Was that email from her campaign itself? Maybe it was from a third party? I ask because I'm on the Clinton email list and I received an announcement regarding the event on Friday.

]]> passionateJus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924872 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924872 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:49:52 -0800 Comment by Clint Please focus on getting Hillary elected. Stay as far away from ST as possible. I'd like for them to come up with something that I can actually see myself voting for.

]]> Clint http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924879 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924879 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:52:47 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave I almost want hillary to be the nom so i can laugh at mike in pioneer square when she loses by double digits in the popular election. i'll be fine, I'd be voting mccain.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924886 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924886 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:57:24 -0800 Comment by Nitpicker It should be "Hil's organizing team." Did you not graduate from middle school?

]]> Nitpicker http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924902 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924902 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:06:20 -0800 Comment by kim i got the email last week. maybe the stranger's blocking your email.

]]> kim http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924919 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924919 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:10:45 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Everyone's predicting Sen Clinton will win NY and all the eastern states on Super Tuesday by 75 percent to 25 percent margins.

Even the GOP has her winning Cali by 10 points.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924948 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924948 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:24:09 -0800 Comment by Mike in Pioneer Square Bellevue Ave - Yeah, if Obama gets the nomination we'll see how well he does against McCain (assuming he'll be the Republican nominee as it appears now). In that case, Obama will lose by double digits.

And do people seriously think that Obama wouldn't get bashed in the general election? Hillary is the veteran of many battles. I trust her to weather the political storm far better than the weak, toothless Obama.

]]> Mike in Pioneer Square http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924964 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924964 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:31:39 -0800 Comment by Jason No, we know Obama will get bashed by the Republicans. However, he does very well with independents unlike Hillary. We know she has a 48% Unfavorable rating--even higher in some Red States and Swing States. Obama is betting on the unknown factor because we know Hillary has such a tiny, narrow margin to play with. There are very few voters out there with "no opinion" on Hillary Clinton.

]]> Jason http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924995 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c924995 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:50:34 -0800 Comment by Super Jesse Well, this is an obvious indication that those campaign workers are sexist hillary haters and are trying to sabotage her by sending invites to events after they happen.

]]> Super Jesse http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925044 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925044 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:21:40 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave where does the strawman of "his supporters dont think he will be attacked" come from? we know he will. we arent worried about it. that happens in every election.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925080 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925080 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:38:10 -0800 Comment by Andy Niable Obama can stand back just fine and let Grampa Walnuts rant and rave and scream... and then make a great speech, and appeal to all those waffling independents. Which candidate is more likely to offer change, here? The Bush-hugger? Obama can hold his own.

]]> Andy Niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925240 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c925240 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:24:42 -0800 Comment by Adam The truth is if Obama could hold his own on debates he would do at least one more debate with Hillary alone. I believe he is worried of the great debater that she is and she always wins over undecideds and even independents. The truth is when it is a McCain vs Hillary. Hillary will come across fantastic and they will overwhlemingly support her. Speaking truth to power. Obama isn't telling moveon.org that they can't raise money for him as a special interest. Special interests are only bad when Hillary clinton gets funds from them but not when it is golden child Obama. Give me a break, ten registered lobbyists bundling money from you and you don't take money from lobbyists? WAKE UP AMERICA SCRATCH THE SURFACE Obama is a well oiled rhetorician banking on Washington to support him on blanket messages and false negative attacks on his opponent. I am glad Hillary pumped her own money into her campaign it shows her commitment to this country. I no plenty of imdependents who won't support lightweight Obama vs MCCain. He is not tough enough on honeland security and if he really wanted to prove he is tough enough to take on the Republican's he should accept Hillary's offer to do another debate or two. Obama what are you scared of????????

Read about the federal lobbyists raising money for Obama http://www.citizen.org/documents/LobbyistsFinal.pdf

SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER. Vote Hillary for Real Change not just rhetoric

]]> Adam http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c929674 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/and_now_a_few_words_not_about_obama#c929674 2008 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:19:58 -0800