Slog - Comments on Winning the War on Drugs http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1 Chesapeake. Detective Jarrod Shivers, a 34-year-old father, was shot as he was trying to enter at the house in the street’s 900 block around 8:30 p.m. He and several other officers were there with a search warrant as part of a drug investigation, police said. Shivers was pronounced dead at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital. He left behind a wife and three children – ages 2, 8 and 14. Police arrested 28-year-old Ryan David Frederick, who lived at the home, and charged him with first-degree murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He is being held... Copyright 2008 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:13:10 -0800 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:50:01 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Sargon Bighorn I always find it interesting when they mention things like "He left behind a wife and three children – ages 2, 8 and 14." If he were single (maybe gay) would it make it less tragic? Poor guy got shot, that must have ruined his day. He should have thought of job related hazards before he had kids.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904625 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904625 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:38:32 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 This story serves gun-control as well, countering that NRA myth of the self-protecting home-owner

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904633 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904633 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:02 -0800 Comment by Epimetheus Um, and your point is? What if the warrant was related to an investigation of the rape of your sister would you want them to just walk away when no one opened the door?

Maybe it was a "no knock" raid, that would complicate things, but it sounds like he shot through the door (though that is not entirely clear), what if it had been his drunk neighbor trying to get into the wrong house? Or the girl scout selling cookies knocked too loud? Well, it would probably be manslaughter in that case, first degree murder does seem a bit much, but I am not a lawyer.

Maybe the fact that the cops didn't kill him is what makes it newsworthy? "He and several other officers" several? and they didn't pump 15 rounds apiece through said door? OK, I guess it is news, but still, it was Chesapeake, not NYC.

@2, There was some suspicion that criminal activity was taking place in the home, "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns". And his irresponsible use of a gun got him charged with murder. Probably a better case for outlawing Meth than guns.

Damn. I must be getting old.

]]> Epimetheus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904644 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904644 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:16:44 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 @3 the article doesn't indicate that there was any wrongdoing at all until the moment the guy shot the officer, and the gun probably was legally owned. If it had been buglers instead of police officers, the right wing would trumpet this as a case of blah blah righteous homeowner blah blah dead scum instead of dead officer with half-orphaned kids and a "suspected" druggie.

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904651 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904651 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:29:24 -0800 Comment by tiktok Yeah, this is not the sort of case the NRA likes to talk about. Legally purchased gun, paranoid homeowner, dead cops.

]]> tiktok http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904659 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904659 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:46:52 -0800 Comment by Marty Just because he's "suspected" does not mean he ISN'T guilty. I strongly dislike the implication that because the article doesn't mention that drugs were found, the search warrant was thus pointless, and there was a waste of life, blah blah. Except cops can get shot serving any kind of search warrant, and search warrants are given out to find more conclusive evidence.

Also, doesn't meth make you incredibly paranoid?...

]]> Marty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904663 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904663 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:50:17 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 burglers not buglers. sorry i could really use an edit feature. please help me out Slog-Masters-extraordinarie

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904665 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904665 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:52:06 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV There are many, many people who have desired the opportunity to shoot the bugler.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904697 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904697 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:40:26 -0800 Comment by w7ngman "If he were single (maybe gay) would it make it less tragic?"

Yes.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904700 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904700 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:47:23 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 If he were a single (maybe gay) bugler it would have been less tragic

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904706 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904706 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:57:55 -0800 Comment by unPC @3 Epimetheus:

Looked up that name.

The Titan of "hind-thought" (lack of foresight) charged with giving traits to all animals so when it "was time to give man a positive trait, lacking foresight he found that there was nothing left. . . . .As further punishment, Zeus created Pandora, the first woman, for Epimetheus, knowing that he would fall in love with her"
[wikipedia]

Oh.

So, it doesn't mean "skin characteristic of a meth user." My bad.

]]> unPC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904732 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904732 Drugs Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:57:02 -0800 Comment by Epimetheus @11, yep, that's right, I wondered if anyone would recognize it. I thought about using Prometheus' name, it sounds better since I kind of screwed up with you humans, sorry 'bout the Republicans. But it seemed dishonest to hide behind an assumed name LOL!

And @4, I said "suspected", after all some judge signed a warrant, I didn't say he was a criminal or that he would have had a gun if guns were illegal. I was just pointing out that it was possible that he could have a gun even if they were "controlled", someone thought there was probable cause for the warrant for something, maybe "controlled" substances? (the article just said "search warrant"). Banning guns is about as likely to be successful as banning Meth.

]]> Epimetheus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904757 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904757 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:13 -0800 Comment by mikeblanco One online article says the police have refused to confirm that the shot officer was at the correct address.

]]> mikeblanco http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904786 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:05:16 -0800 Comment by Bruce Garrett Unless there is some immediate threat to someone's life, why do the police have to break into a house they know or have reason to suspect is occupied, in order to execute a search warrant?

I can see it when they're trying to save a life. Beyond that, I just don't see the need for those kinds of tactics.


]]> Bruce Garrett http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904787 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904787 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:08:55 -0800 Comment by thehim Marty,
Generally one of things happens in these cases. If drugs are found in the house, the police who were involved in the raid will let everyone know as soon and as loudly as possible. If no drugs are found in the house, they will be silent for as long as they can keep their mouths shut.

]]> thehim http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904800 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904800 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:01:07 -0800 Comment by unPC @14:
The coppers have to break in so that, you know, the guy doesn't throw away the evidence they're looking for.
If you prefer to have no searches at all except to save a life, you can try to get laws passed restraining the local cops or the feds from executing searches like this. There's nothing in our Constitution that says we "have" to empower the cops to do these types of things.

]]> unPC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904837 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904837 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:43:10 -0800 Comment by ahava @1, so what is your point? Someone died, doing a job that most people don't want to do. Everyone hates the police until they need them.

The fact that he left behind a family is tragic.

]]> ahava http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904845 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/winning_the_war_on_drugs_1#c904845 Drugs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:50:01 -0800