Elenchos does have a point. Unfortunately, it's on the top of his head.
A point? The book of elenchos is only secondary to the Books of Bokonon.
Totally true, and it was self-fulfilling.
Just kidding, e. I promise to not respond to Ecce or Issur or that one racist dude again.
sure, you linked for the slog-centric content, but that's a good read from tufte as well.
Even winning Strangercrombie won't give you the kind of rockstar status that you can get from relentlessly dogging them on their blog.
No kidding.
JMR, what happened to you, man? You posted like twice in your valedictory week. Tell us the juicy details! Or post them on your blog.
Just don't relentlessly blog them on their dogs, or I can tell you from experience, some unwanted leg-humping will ensue.
I'm having Mr. Poe withdrawal.
JMR, what happened to you, man? You posted like twice in your valedictory week. Tell us the juicy details! Or post them on your blog.
I'll fill in the details when I win again this December.
elenchos is made of win. I raise a glass to him.
And it's true - you'll invariably get far more attention for a shitty, vile rebuttal than a thoughtful one. Although I don't think this is necessarily unique to Slog.
Elenchos is just being divisive.
As usual.
;)
Elenchos is indirectly saying that Slog is becoming really popular, as most popular blogs have poor quality comments percentages and plenty of trolls.
This will become the Big Debate of '08. "Dot Blog: Success equals unreadable comments threads? And this is supposed to be good for revenue?"
I'm not criticizing Slog. I'm just stating that when popularity is a direct reflection of uglier user feedback, it's time to ask questions about the blog model for revenue purposes.
Maybe Slog should go to a no-comments/"trackback" only model; this is what Andrew Sullivan does -- since we're on the subject -- and then he weeds out any of the critical trackbacks, which is a pretty interesting approach for a free-speech advocate.
To clarify, add detail. imagine that: to clarify add detail. Clutter and overload are not an attribute of information, they are a failure of design. If the information is in chaos, don't start throwing out information. Instead fix the design.Doesn't it just give you goosebumps? It gives me goosebumps.
@13, I'm not bothered by the trolls. I just ignore them. I'm bothered by the undeserved attention the trolls are given. If you reply to a troll, the troll wins. If you say a troll's name, the troll wins. If you allude to a troll, the troll wins. No ifs, ands or buts.
The highest complement on the Internet is to acknowledge someone exists. The lowest cut is to act like you never heard them.
Okay. So what? What will you do about it? Not just you, Dan, but the other aforementioned writers.
The Slogger who handles trolls best is Charles although he is also a troll with some of those posts.
You people think that calling someone who disagrees with your opinions a "troll" is dismissive.
The truth is, as long as you live, you will never have enough of a spine to accept that you are not the smartest, brightest, most special, coolest, and swellest people in the room. This seems to be a huge problem with kids from the 90's. All those ribbons for "achievement" or "Participation", and the general derision of competition, has left you scrotumless and stupid.
Go ahead, instead of dealing with disagreement, just label them a troll. It's SO much easier than standing up for your opinion.
At least Dan has balls from time to time.
Hey Ecce, you didn't call me last night. Shame. I just bought a reversible crack pipe. The fun you missed, you won't BELIEVE.
See my comment on Frizzelle's "False Information" post.
Seriously, it's past time for me to stop bothering with The Stranger and Slog--and not because of the commentators.
@15: In that case, thank you, Elenchos, for often responding to my posts. Even though it's usually to disagree with them.
Jesus, Boomer. For someone who's "done with Slog," you're sure spending a lot of time on here telling everybody about it.
Slog isn't perfect by any means, but they do seem pretty transparent in what's going on behind the scenese, which is kind of nice, imho. Most publications would never talk about their inner debates like this.
Seriously, it's past time for me to stop bothering with The Stranger and Slog
GOODBYE CRUEL BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!111one
Totally agree. Don't feed the trolls, please.
I always have to remind myself that people sometimes are drunk or high when they post. Or they disagree with themselves three posts later.
leave them where they belong, under the fremont bridge.
People, people, all this kvetching about trolls and how to handle them is just another form of "feeding". The troll in question (hiya ecce!) knows who we're talking about, so it's pointless to try to generalize the discussion in hopes that will somehow make a difference.
And yes, some trolls will eventually give up and move on if ignored. But, like the compulsive gambler, many simply can't (and ecce has already mentioned a couple of times his intent to bow out - but he keeps coming back), because they live with the irrational hope that the NEXT win will make up for the long, debilitating string of losses.
Trolls are simply mashochists at their core; they need to push our buttons, because they crave - not just attention, but more specifically - NEGATIVE attention. They NEED to be hated, it's what gets them off.
So, it helps to remember, YOU have the REAL power in this situation, because the troll needs YOU, not the other way around. Your hate is simply an emotional response to the anger the troll seeks to elicit from you; remove that stimulus, change the emotional content of the response, and the troll get nothing in the way of sustenance back from you.
How do you know when this occurs? Simple: the troll becomes angry, like a petulant child denied a cookie. That's when you know you've pushed the troll's buttons, and once they realize you've turned the tables, THEN they'll go away for good, because they know they aren't going to get from you what they most desperately need - your hate.
Interesting points, COMTE. The problem is the troll-feeders are also getting off. They are people who love to argue for the sake of arguing, and don't really care if the conversation of the thread gets derailed. Troll-enablers have mutated into trolls themselves. (Full discloser: I am not infrequently guilty of this, though I'm more of a hit-and-run poster. I'll post a response, and then never check the thread again.)
And it's true. If Dan and Erica and all the rest truly want to elevate the level of discourse on Slog (they don't actually seem to want to do this, other than the occasional complaining about trolls), then they would highlight constructive, thoughtful, interesting comments. I have rarely, if ever, seen them do this. You encourage behavior you acknowledge.
All this just cause I said that ECB needed to get laid? Jeesh...
Do you guys really not know who Ecce is? It's funny, I promise. And knowing makes it impossible to actually get upset about anything he says.
This post reminds me of my response to the hullaballo Belleve Ave caused on the Heath Ledger thread (http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/re_heath_ledger_found_dead). Really?
It's one thing for people who don't read Slog very often to bite the bait, but regulars, who should be familiar with agendas and talking points by now, should know better. Unless they, *gasp*, like the drama and attention they get when they engage a troll. All the benefits of people reading your comments, none of the messy guilt over being a trolling attention whore!
How does Aislinn @30 know who ecce is? Unless...OMG! Aislinn is Condoleeza Rice!!!
hey Dan have you checked out
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hip hop website lately? regular anti-gay comments in forum like
First, you're a complete fucking faggot, Donut Boy. Do me a favor and go get a neck. P.s. make another t-shirt with a turntable on it, dork. Second, I got fucked with by them bouncers like 5 years ago at a show that Z-trip was playing. It was a Microsoft event ...
... but I'm not. I just think it's homo when people come on here and use fake names... Use your real name. The only reason you would use a fake one is if you were scared of what people think of your comments.. So yeah, BEAST is a fag.. bitch
Hey kub, get off the net and hitthe block with those cds fag boy. :)
as do i damnit *punches dawson for being such a fag*
Go back to the massline boards, you peace loving faggot. Dirtbag...[/
kanye's trouble is that he tends to make sense so the shots directed towards him are generally either manifestations of pure hate or comments on his habit of occasionally dressing like a faggot.
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OK, so what the hell did that mean?
@31: My information is second-hand, and I have absolutely no proof whatsoever. But, it is corroborated by things like this: http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/colbert_stewart_maher
Think about it, people.
Wow, @34, I don't know how I could have possibly missed that thread!
And not to beat the dead horse on that particular subject, but it does only seem fair to give ecce credit where it's due; obviously he's a strong union supporter, and he totally gets props from me for being on the side of the good guys on that one.
However, he's decidedly off-base calling Dan a "scab" for appearing on Maher's show, as it's obvious he didn't cross a picket-line to replace a union member who would otherwise have been doing that particular "work". Clearly, it's just another example of ecce's penchant for hysterical hyperbole getting in the way of an accurate assessment of the situation.
Dan could be called a lot of other things for what he did: an anti-union sympathizer at worst, or just an uninformed, unenlightened rube, if one wishes to be charitable. But, "scab" is a special designation that really should be reserved for those who fit the definition; using the term indiscriminately merely serves to weaken the negative perception it should engender.
Be that as it may, it still doesn't do much for me in terms of giving away ecce's identity; not that I really care one way or the other.
ecce = knute berger
LOL. Probably true, @36.
Man, if that were true @36, I'd have to say that either old Knute has finally taken a double-gainer off the deep end, or he's developed a brilliantly accurate parody of a trollish personality type.
Because that's the thing: you can never really tell for certain which type you're dealing with - a certifiable wack-job, or, a perversely sane person who enjoys making other people THINK they're a certifiable wack-job.
Which is, well, kind of wack in itself, if you think about it...
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