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<title>Slog - Comments on The Most Scientific Presidental Candidate</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat</link>
<description>Obama, Clinton or Edwards? McCain, Huckabee or Romney? What are they saying on the stump, and how would they govern? This special report tries to answer those questions by examining the leading contenders among the Democrats and the Republicans, in alphabetical order, based on recent polls identifying those with a plausible shot at their respective nominations. (We&apos;ve also provided basic information on the rest of the field.) Although none of the campaigns afforded us direct access to the candidates themselves--a telling indicator of the importance of science in the campaign, perhaps--we&apos;ve talked to some of their advisers, as well as...</description>
<copyright>Copyright 2008</copyright>
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<title>Comment by GUY de HARUSPEX</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>How about some pseudo-science: There have been 16 presidents whose surname ended in N. There have been four presidents whose surname ended in a vowel - all E's. This louche statistic would seem to favor Hillary. Out: Giuliani and Obama. And if Huckabee wants to improve his chances, he should change his name to Huckaby. Just sane.</p>]]></description>
<author>GUY de HARUSPEX</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894829</link>
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<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:12:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by laterite</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Gil Grissom is the best choice.</p>]]></description>
<author>laterite</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894845</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894845</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:24:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cleve</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Unfair to use Edwards' courtroom work against him.</p>

<p>He wasn't the boss -- his client was the boss -- he had a duty to work for the client.  <br />
It was the other side's duty to argue against him if his science was baloney.  He had no duty to argue against his own client's interest.If he had "pulled back" by not tugging at emotional heartstrings, that would have been unethical.</p>

<p>That's the adversarial system.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cleve</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894850</link>
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<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:26:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Blacksheep</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Reading about the Edwards c-section case really gets me riled up. As noted, most cases of CP do NOT happen because of injury during birth. I had a complicated pregnancy, and I delivered twins vaginally-something that doesn't happen much anymore because of lawsuits like that one! I'm glad my doctors didn't do a c-section due to fear of lawsuits! Unfortunately, it does happen quite often. Many c-sections are medically necessary, don't get me wrong. But it makes me mad that doctors are forced to perform defensive medicine because of birth injury litigation.</p>

<p>Yet another reason for me to dislike Edwards, in addition to his appalling sexist response to Clinton's so called "breakdown."</p>]]></description>
<author>Blacksheep</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894852</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894852</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:28:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by LeslieC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"unburdened by ideology"?</p>

<p>He's a Mormon. He's one big ball of ideology.</p>

<p>Just saying.</p>]]></description>
<author>LeslieC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894868</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894868</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:36:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by LeslieC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"unburdened by ideology"?</p>

<p>He's a Mormon. He's one big ball of ideology.</p>

<p>Though it's true he probably doesn't feel burdened by it. That's not to say that he isn't influenced by it.</p>

<p>Just saying.</p>]]></description>
<author>LeslieC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894872</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894872</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:37:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Obama reminds me of The Professor on Gilligan's Island.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894878</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894878</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:42:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by lostboy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>... one of the strongest advocates for science in Congress, Representative Vernon Ehlers (R-MI), calls Romney "the best choice for any scientist or engineer."<br /><br /> Ehlers... says that he is heading up a science advisory committee for the candidate.</blockquote>

<p>In what way are Romney's science credentials "muddled"?  Does anyone <b>not working for his campaign</b> have anything good to say about him?</p>

<p>(Even Ehlers' testimonial stinks of empty platitude.)</p>]]></description>
<author>lostboy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894880</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894880</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:46:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by yibba</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p><i>Karin Nelson of NIH, <b>who concedes she has not reviewed the specific cases that Edwards handled.</b></i> </p>

<p><i>Nelson sat on a panel of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists that in 2003 found that most cases of cerebral palsy are not caused at birth.</i></p>

<p>But they didn't know this 22 years ago, right? Is that Edwards' (or anyone's) fault? </p>

<p><i>Unfair to use Edwards' courtroom work against him.</i></p>

<p>He wasn't the boss -- his client was the boss -- he had a duty to work for the client.<br />
It was the other side's duty to argue against him if his science was baloney. He had no duty to argue against his own client's interest.If he had "pulled back" by not tugging at emotional heartstrings, that would have been unethical.</p>

<p>Correct.</p>]]></description>
<author>yibba</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894885</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894885</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:49:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by yibba</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I messed up the HTML. That last bit was meant to be italic'd and accredited to Cleve at 1.26 pm.</p>]]></description>
<author>yibba</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894889</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894889</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:52:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by lostboy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>He wasn't the boss -- his client was the boss -- he had a duty to work for the client. ... If he had "pulled back" by not tugging at emotional heartstrings, that would have been unethical.</blockquote>

<p><i>Given that he took the case</i>, it would have been unethical.  We're not talking about a public defender with court-assigned clients here, though.  We can make legitimate judgements about lawyers who accept (or worse, pursue) civil cases built on bad or fraudulent science.</p>

<p>Yibba @9 makes a much better point about using a 2003 study to criticize a 1985 case.</p>]]></description>
<author>lostboy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894911</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894911</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:03:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jonathan Golob</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Can any of you read the individual pieces? I fear they might be behind a subscription firewall. Sorry if so. </p>

<p>Yibba and Cleve--<br />
Valid points. The whole article on Edwards started by noting that a surprising number of scientists and physicians absolutely ruled out voting for Edwards. The misrepresentation of science was the most common reason.</p>

<p>I can understand that stance. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11772882" rel="nofollow">Work to which I had contributed</a> was misrepresented during the stem cell debates. It's infuriating. Arguably Bush's actions--misrepresenting scientific research to help his supporters--would be justified with your logic.</p>

<p>Still, with that all said, I still like Edwards as a candidate. I just find Obama or Clinton to be better for American Science.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jonathan Golob</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894932</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894932</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:12:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
Why Don't I Have Access?

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<p>Seriously:  The Professor is tall and thin like Obama, and they use similar hand gestures.  But mostly they share the same deep voice.  Don't they?</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894947</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894947</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:23:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jonathan Golob</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>At least I excerpted the shit out of 'em. </p>]]></description>
<author>Jonathan Golob</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894970</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c894970</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:34:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Karlheinz Arschbomber</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'd go canvass for Gustav Mahler, but he's been dead for about 97 years.  Crap.</p>]]></description>
<author>Karlheinz Arschbomber</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895003</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895003</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:59:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Who?</p>

<p>Al Gore.</p>

<p>As if you didn't know.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895105</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895105</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:28:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Big Sven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I am really happy to see the pro-Obama propoganda machine ratcheting up on the SLOG.  It means his supporters must be really scared.<br /><br /></p>

<p>The only quote on the front page of the report is from a Romney supporter, but the body of the report says</p>

<blockquote>Senator Hillary Clinton's speech on the 50th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik was the most detailed examination of science policy that any presidential candidate has offered to date.</blockquote> 

<p>It's therefore not surprising that actual scientists <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/10/08/hillary-clinton-on-science/" rel="nofollow">have been praising her focus on science</a>.</p>]]></description>
<author>Big Sven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895194</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895194</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:27:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Lauren</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Finally, the liquid coal quote! Hearing that speech was what turned me against Barack Obama. Made him seem like not only a panderer, but a panderer who lacked finesse.</p>]]></description>
<author>Lauren</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895241</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895241</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:01:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Phoebe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>O's environmental rating is 96 or 97, Clinton's is 90, and Edwards' is 63, is what I read somewhere. Possibly here?</p>]]></description>
<author>Phoebe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895437</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/the_most_scientific_presidental_candidat#c895437</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:48:08 -0800</pubDate>
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