Slog - Comments on Talk and Action http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action Hillary Clinton has a new ad up in California in which she speaks in a much more emotive tone about making sure people's voices are heard. Meanwhile, a judge in Nevada just ruled against the somewhat-Clinton-connected effort to limit voter participation in the upcoming Nevada caucuses.... Copyright 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:24:20 -0800 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:35:23 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by kk Damn unelected judges. Too bad the Clintonistas couldn't find a way to keep those pesky casino workers away from the caucuses. They're going to have to do better than this if they really want the nomination.

]]> kk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901608 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901608 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:56:18 -0800 Comment by Johnny Wait a minute Eli...I have it directly from Dominic on the Slog that Hillary herself opposed the casino effort- not just that she was kinda sorta in a roundabout couple of degrees of connection connected to people who opposed it- but that she opposed it herself.

Are you trying to white-wash this thing?

]]> Johnny http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901623 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901623 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:06:02 -0800 Comment by brandon from the link:

The Clinton campaign had not taken a formal position on the lawsuit, but several supporters had brought the court action. As he campaigned across Nevada this week, former President Bill Clinton argued about the unfairness of caucusing in casinos.

In a statement on Thursday afternoon, the Clinton campaign expressed disappointment in the ruling.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901644 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901644 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:15:55 -0800 Comment by Johnny So, Hillary and her campaign have not taken a position. Bill has.

Ok, thank you for clarifying! Last time I trust a stoner ;-)

]]> Johnny http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901652 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901652 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:19:08 -0800 Comment by DOUG. Voter suppression is a classic Bush administration tactic. Way to go, Clintons! "Change," my ass.

]]> DOUG. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901654 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901654 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:20:10 -0800 Comment by elenchos Obama does lack of experience with voter suppression. And a shared understanding of how to keep voters from the polls gives Hillary some common ground with Republicans that they can build on to work together.

But seriously. The teachers were right: it's only fair to have caucuses only at schools, instead of at the workplace of one particular group, like the casino workers. It would give anyone who works their an inflated political influence, whereas the teachers just wanted it to be a neutral location. At school buildings.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901670 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901670 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:27:48 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton @6 heh. That's good. I almost thought you were serious.

]]> Mike of Renton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901689 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901689 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:34:20 -0800 Comment by slow @7 - thanks, I missed the point of #6 completely till I read your comment and re-read the post.

]]> slow http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901712 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901712 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:40:50 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton @6 heh. That's good. I almost thought you were serious.

]]> Mike of Renton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901715 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901715 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:41:45 -0800 Comment by elenchos The spurious rationales that Hillary's supporters make up are hard to distinguish from parody, aren't they?

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901760 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901760 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:03:10 -0800 Comment by brandon especially since the nevada caucus is on saturday, and it was the teacher's union that filed the suit. or do they have school on saturdays in nevada?

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901774 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901774 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:43 -0800 Comment by Johnny Wow, seriously it seems like the commenters are the ones reaching here. Most definately it makes sense to have caucus at schools or at other government buildings over casinos or other private business.

One issue that immediately springs to mind is that I wouldn't be able to go into the casino due to the cigarette smoke. I am sure others with various ailments might face the same barrier...You know people who might be interested in universal health care of the kind that Obama refuses to support.

Just saying.

]]> Johnny http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901799 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901799 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:24:04 -0800 Comment by also @12: The casino caucuses aren't instead of other polling places. They are supplementary and intended for workers who work far from home and would be unable to vote otherwise. These are people who work in casinos. Presumably they are OK with going into casinos.

My favorite part of the whole fiasco is that four the plaintiffs in the suit to block casino caucus locations were on the very panel that decided to implement them, and actually voted *for* them, back in May when Hilary was the favorite.

How hypocritical is that?

]]> also http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901842 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901842 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:40:04 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton @12 It's not like they're having the caucus right on the casino floor. That's like saying they shouldn't have it at schools because someone might fall off the playground equipment.

]]> Mike of Renton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901853 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901853 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:45:21 -0800 Comment by Phoebe Yeah, I also love how the teachers' union was pleading concern for the janitors who have to work on saturday - janitors who don't belong to their union, but whatever - when they've had since last March to give a rat's ass about their janitors.

]]> Phoebe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901882 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901882 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:02:38 -0800 Comment by Phoebe Watch Bill Clinton spontaneously combust:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=5894660

you might have to roll over to find the proper video. Look for
"RAW: one on one Q&A with Bill Clinton"

]]> Phoebe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901887 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c901887 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:05:49 -0800 Comment by kk Lighten up on the Clintons, folks. The Clinton campaign was FINE with caucuses in casinos. It was only after the Culinary Workers Union endorsed Obama that they suddenly became unfair. Sheesh.

]]> kk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902009 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902009 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:44:14 -0800 Comment by Reality Check @16 Wow thanks for that.

Ouch. Another example of the Clintonista effect.

I dont think I've ever seen him go off like this before to anyone since he left the Oval Office.

This is some incredible footage.

Thanks for sharing.

Another demerit for HRC. I wonder how many she has left?

]]> Reality Check http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902081 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902081 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:08:11 -0800 Comment by brandon that's pretty rad phoebe, thanks. i love how bill clinton speaks to the press as though people will actually believe a word he says. it's downright adorable.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902094 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902094 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:23:37 -0800 Comment by gnossos that new Clinton ad may be in a "more emotive tone," but it's still in the same old style. She's still harping on the 35 years and it's still a top-down message: you've got problems and I'll fix them.

Either she or her handlers haven't grasped why Obama is coming across stronger. It may be rhetoric only, but his message brings the audience in. He speaks of "us" and "we" and when he does use "you" it's in a much different way.

She really needs to figure this one out if she's going to escape her big government nanny-state image.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902206 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902206 2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:33:01 -0800 Comment by DOUG. Why does Bill Clinton drink out of a Mason jar?

]]> DOUG. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902315 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/talk_and_action#c902315 2008 Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:35:23 -0800