Needless to say at least Hillary will not be in the White House. We get to move on....

Too bad that Hillary is breaking apart on national TV. VERY unflattering way to have your presidential hopes die out.

Clinton convinced me she'd make a fantastic Senate majority leader--vastly better than Harry Reid, better than Obama could ever hope to be and perhaps one of the best ever.

She embodies an optimal mix of ruthlessness, political savvy, intelligence and a dash of sensible compromise. Pair a senate led by her with a democratic president and you have a great mix to really accomplish wonderful things.

In a strange way, Hillary Clinton is making the case for renewed power and interest in the congress. Through the ugliness of the Bush unitary executive era, I think we've lost some of the sense that congress is meant to be an equal power, not a vestigial limb.

I have to say, I find Obama a bit unnerving. His generalities about hope and change seem empty and quasi-religious (that is, hope or belief without substantiation). Whenever anyone talks vaguely about promises of hope or unity, without a strong critique of the current problem or a systematic plan to solve it, I'm as skeeved out as if someone was spouting generalities about patriotism or the motherland. They're cue words meant to manipulate the audience's shared desires, not political solutions.

All in all, however, this whole process is just a periodical farce in which the slaves get to pretend their choosing their masters. The general interests which run the country in almost all aspects of life (we're talking about the bourgeoisie here, kids), will continue to, regardless of who is elected. That said, the poll is messed up and lets you vote a kabillion times.

obama has the "majority" of dem votes. although... if he has approximately 45% of the votes, that still means that 55% of democrats want someone else. and 55% is the majority of 100%. big fish, little fish.

know'm sayin?

Ideally:

President Edwards
VP Obama
Secretary of State Richardson
Senate Majority Leader Clinton (or Dodd, who would otherwise make a good #2 in the Senate leadership)
Secretary of Defense Biden
HHS Secretary Kucinich, who will be given the task of negotiating with the drug and insurance companies for national health insurance, starting with a single-payer proposal and then working backward to the plan Edwards has been running on.

My Iowa and New Hampshire election observations (including predictions), in case you're interested:

http://www.artdish.com/ubbcgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000444

For those of you suffering from Clinton nostalgia, there’s a great piece on AlterNet summing up the Greatest Hits created in the Clinton years that have come to fruition under Bush II: Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell, Welfare “Reform,” NAFTA and other trade policies that are eviscerating the American middle-class, “reform” of banking, lending, media ownership and energy laws that have led to an explosion of illegal and unethical abuses of the American people and our government (I’ll add DOMA to that list as well) and on and on and on.

No more Clintons. Obama/Edwards ’08!

http://www.alternet.org/story/72336/

I contacted ABC, maybe you should too?

edwards is awesome for rejecting special interest money but he is almost as inexperienced as obama. he has good views on the issues though.

hillary is really alienating for some reason to many people. this is too bad because i think she would be just fine as president.

richardson is still my guy. i agree with him on so many issues. however, i just don't know if he has the type of charisma to really rouse people to vote for him.

sigh. at least the republican pool makes it an obvious choice for november.

Looking forward to the Gore/Dodd or Gore/Edwards ticket.

Sen Clinton will make a great US Supreme Court Justice.

She knows all those little slices of policy and programs that are needed to get just 3 more votes here, and 3 more votes there, the way LBJ did in getting the first civil rights act passed back in 1957.
And she loves grinding away at details.

Meanwhile:

Obama Pres
Richardson VP
Biden State
Clark or Powell Defense
Dodd amb. to UN
Lieberman -- amb. to Ct. of St. James for life with a really really big house and servants get the fuck out of the senate you traitor

Gore: stay outside and harass Obama to drop nuclear power

Or Clinton as VP?
If she stops crying?

"Which Democratic candidate do you think has the right experience to be President?"

Clinton 41%
Obama 16%
Richardson 13%
Edwards 11%

And this is from Jan 5th and 6th. But we're not supposed to care about experience, right? Go Clinton!

Three hundred forty-one-nine (341) randomly selected likely New
Hampshire Democratic primary voters were interviewed by telephone between January 5 and 3 p.m. January 6, 2008. The
margin of sampling error is +/- 5%.
Illinois Senator Barack Obama has surged ahead in New Hampshire and now holds a double digit lead over New York
Senator Hillary Clinton. [b]In the latest CNN/WMUR poll, Obama 39% of likely Democratic primary voters, 29% favor
Clinton, 16% favor former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, 7% prefer New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, 2%
favor Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, 1% want some other candidate, and 5% say they are still undecided.[/b]

You are spot on. She's not going to win and the Senate majority leader role would be fantastic. We truly do need to revivify the three branch concept we had as recently as 2000.

Now, a thought. I've been fighting with how to write the following sentiment, and I have decided to just come out with it, knowing I will get flamed by someone:

The Democrats are in love with suicide. Now, this time they damn well may wake up, in the emergency room, stomach pumped just in time, and find themselves in The White House.

But it looks like in this election -- you know, the one following the presidency of the lowest-rated president in history? The one 75% of the country cannot wait to see the back of? The one who, if his party is left in power, will pack the court with the enablers of theocracy? The one who represents a party that even its faithful are beginning to suspect? -- we're going to submit for the approval of the electorate a relatively unknown African-American former coke snorter with the middle name of Hussein.

Dems, you sure do like to play with fire.

That said, I'm going to be working harder for the Dem nominee than I have ever worked before. Walking precincts, manning phone banks and talking up the issues like a wonk-ass wonkity wonk. Good luck and hard work my fellow Dems -- we are sure as hell going to need both.

With that said, 2 weeks ago things looked different than today. Who knows how things will look after Super Tuesday which is a little less then a month away.

Hillary is a little like Martha Stewart. People love to rip her up one side and down the other but like Martha we feel very protective of her when she is on the ropes or takes a punch.

I think you were responding to me@28, not Cale@22.

I never said the poll didn't show Obama in the lead. That would be silly of me, since your point has been made ABOUT FIVE MILLION TIMES EVERYWHERE ON EARTH TODAY.

Rather, my point was that even after the Obama bounce, the fine folks of NH still think that Clinton has the best experience to be President, and I believe that if you feel likewise you should vote for her and not the other candidates.

Like Will in Seattle, I'm fine with any of the big three getting the nod. But I still want Clinton to win.

so how important is experience to the voters? apparently not so much, and unfortunately that's about all she's got [and that's being extremely generous].

Either way, Obama is it. Thank the Lord!!

I can live with Obama as a second choice. However, I hope he tones down the kumbaya vibe and brings some brass knuckles to the general election ring against whoever the republicans put up there, cause they'll bring the smear every which way.

Hillary is very qualified to be President and would make a fine one. However, the long term smearing of her by the right wing media as a shrill radical feminist has been so ingrained in the populace that her viability of being elected is slim and none.

Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Obama? Now we're talking. His name is like a stop-the-madness sign at the end of an hideous, 20-year-long road.

I'm with the much-ballyhooed "youth" on this one. Archie Bunker is rolling in his grave. That's all the validation Obama needs. And get serious. You knew Obama was the man after his performance at the 2004 Dem Convention. Admit it.

And besides, how great would it be to have a black pres? Anything that makes the southern racists crazy is fine by me...

His message of hope is nice, but its not a good strategy for running the country. The Reps will play hardball with his conciliatory approach and his policy inititives will either fail or be buried with loopholes and pork.

I realize Clinton don't stir the soul in the same way as Obama, but we don't need a speechwriter-in-chief - we need a President who can push a liberal agenda and knows how and when to compromise to move it forward. Obama doesn't have the skills to do it. Maybe in 8 years or so, but not yet.

Picking him would be yet another stupid fuck-up by naive, idealistic, impratical, unstrategic, undisciplined liberals.

That's what I get for posting before coffee.

In that case, I want to see Hillary pry the gavel from Reid's cold, rigor-mortised hands. ASAP.

That's not really your argument *for* Obama, is it?