Thanks again, Stranger staff. Why is it that the alt-weekly gives us better and more timely information about news that really matters than any of our mainstream print or broadcast media?
As of now, there is NOTHING on the Times, P-I, KIRO, or KING websitees. To its credit, KOMO just posted a short blurb 10 minutes ago, but with far fewer details than we can read here on the SLOG.
HL, as I posted in the other thread on this topic, 710 kiro mentioned the incident several hours ago on their news update. but since it wasn't on the web i guess it doesn't count?
Another sad commentary on the lack of easy gun availability in the USA. If only we had guns easily available everywhere, tragedies like this would not happen.
no, radio does not count. Nothing that doesn't exist in google counts these days. Viva Slog!
Whether or not the shooter had been inside a club, I think it's time that clubs, especially on the Hill, regardless of who they cater too, start doing pat downs to prevent people from bringing weapons into their clubs as well as bringing them out of the clubs and shooting people.
In my opinion, this should've started immediately after the shooting at Sugar's last year.
common practice in chicago and nyc. i thought a lot of places already did this (they did @ wu tang)
@6: Sadly helps but doesn't stop it - most people shot at clubs like this are by people who leave the club, go to their car, get their gun, then come back and shoot someone; not by people that enter the club with a weapon. Sugar was the exception to the rule.
Some places on the hill do it occasionally, usually at the discretion of the bouncers and owners, and on certain nights. I think the War Room does it all the time.
In NYC, all the gay and str8 bars or events that I went all did a pat search.
Our motto soon:
all the crime of NYC --
but without its transit, ethnic diversity, arts or sunshine!
Oh that heterosexual life style! Shooting each other outside str8 bars....
I'm so glad I'm a hermit.
You are deeply confused if you think NYC's got nicer winters than we do. And in the summer we get a lot more sunshine than they do.
Hip Hop is dead. Why did Baltic Room miss this memo?
hip hop isn't to blame; people who listen to hip hop are.
"Whoa, sir! Out patdown has determined that you're packing heat! We're not going to let you in this evening, so would you mind just standing nearby and fuming for a few hours until you lose your temper? Thanks!!"
Mostly white people listen to hip hop! I think the problem is bigger than just the listeners.
you really think that pat downs would have prevented this? naive to say the least...
I think the biggest change on the hill is that clubs on are catering more and more to mainstream music and culture. American mainstream culture worships shallow behavior,materialism,
and greed.No arguing that. I bet at the root of the shooting was a money dispute. Pioneer square is spilling over onto the hill and we will either have to get used to that or move to another area of the city (which I am seriously considering)
and to the person that puts this squarely on straight clubs......
wasn't Club Sugar originaly a gay club?
and I've seen some very viscious and violent fights outside some of the hills more visible gay clubs. This has nothing to do with being straight or gay. Violence is everyone's problem.
Hip hop nights bring out this pesudo-wannabe-gangsta, bridge and tunnel crowd, and violence ensues. Seems like none of the perpetrators of these shootings are ever actually residents of the hill.
Seems like a lot of people are making a lot of ignorant comments based on few facts. A couple comments...
(1) Profiling hip hop as 'violent' is as narrow minded as stereotyping gays as 'weak lady men'. Both views are intolerant of other people, and reveal more about the ignorance of the commenter than any supposed truth.
(2) Patting people down won't help stop shootings like this since the shooting occured outside on the street. If you want to stop people from hanging around outside bars, let them smoke indoors.
(3) This city has hundreds of concerts every month. Violence at shows is the exception, not the rule.
I don't blame hip hop. It is so mainstream now that one can't generalize about its listeners to any decent degree. However, the more intelligent musical genre venues out there will not have any Maurices standing outside the door, waiting to get shot by some criminal element. The Baltic Room attempted to appeal to the hoi polloi in order to increase its revenues, but instead of reaping increased profits, it reaped the whirlwind.
I've known Maurice all of his life and he was one of my son's best friend. We loved him very much and he was very special to our family.
What ever the reasons, it always most unfortunate when young people lose their lives in such senseless ways.
Maurice was just at my home 2 weeks ago and I gave him a hug. I had no idea that it would be the last time that we'd laugh and hug.
We never know the last time, so we must make it the best times.
God bless you all.
Another sketchy incident at the Baltic Room this past weekend(2/2/08) - Excessive pepper spray by bouncer has club occupants spilling out of the club coughing, gagging, puking, screaming, wailing. I'm done with this club.
the most frustrating thing about this situation is that there were pat downs on this particular evening. so how is it that this person was allowed into the club? it didnt happen outside it was inside the club. i was there that evening and usually in situations like that there is an argument or some kind of warning. i dont believe it happened because of a hip hop night, i have been to all kinds of clubs and bars in this city and have witnessed all kinds of crazy shit. why is it that the fact that this shooting was related to another even addressed? and why is it that people out there still dont get that violence doesnt solve other violent acts?
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