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Thursday, January 31, 2008

Re: Superdelegate Watch. Gregoire.

posted by on January 31 at 11:20 AM

I had a long conversation with someone from the Governor’s office yesterday afternoon.

I can’t report what they said about Gregoire’s Obama/Clinton decision, but I can tell you what I said: She’d be dumb not to endorse Obama. Gregoire is aching to get some momentum with the Democratic base in Seattle. (For example, why was a prominent Gregoire staffer spending so much time with moi, the Stranger’s news editor and why was Gregoire scheduled to go on Goldy this weekend?)

With all our mainstream politicians (Cantwell, Murray, Sims, Inslee) endorsing Clinton, Gregoire would look (by contrast) like she’s dialed in to the street-level zeitgeist in Seattle.

Meanwhile, serving her obsession to appease Eastern Washington, she’d disassociate herself from Clinton, who is a Satanic icon among the red meat Republicans. They’d just shrug at an Obama endorsement. Everything to gain. Nothing to lose.

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That would be as stupid as trying to rebuild the Viaduct.

Posted by crazycatguy | January 31, 2008 11:23 AM

There are more red meat repubs in Western WA, than in Eastern WA.

But Hey! Feel free to perpetuate myths & stereotypes. Isn't that a journalism class in college, Myths & Stereotype Preservation 101?

Posted by Hal | January 31, 2008 11:24 AM

Zeitgeist! Everyone drink a shot!

Posted by Will/HA | January 31, 2008 11:27 AM

Um...maybe she's betting on Clinton tying up the nomination and the presidency and she has perhaps a tiny little thing like a job in The Other Washington to gain/lose?

Posted by JW | January 31, 2008 11:38 AM


data based? or delusional?
look at the congressional reps, look at the state leg., WTF you talkin' 'bout??

Posted by unPC | January 31, 2008 11:38 AM

Jayzus crappin' christ: Did you just refer to yourself as "moi"? WTF are you, Miss Piggy or something? Do you do "jazz hands" too?

Posted by Stephanie | January 31, 2008 11:46 AM

I think he's referring to the fact that there's more of EVERY kind of person in Western WA than in Eastern WA.

And the reddest of the red meat Repubs in this state are in Clark County, which is both populous and Western. There's quite a few in North Snohomish/South Skagit too -- remember "Freedom County"? Remember, almost all of WA's white supremacists live in the I-5 corridor as well.

Posted by Fnarf | January 31, 2008 11:50 AM

I'm struck by how much this race reminds me of the 2004 Gubernatorial race, where the choice was a librul white guy, an inspirational black guy, and a woman who seems too political by half.

In that race, I supported Talmadge, until he dropped, and then enthusiastically supported Sims. And Gregoire won the nomination and I just couldn't bring myself to vote for her. I wrote my own name in.

So far my journey from Edwards to Obama seems to mirror that....I hope it stops there.

Posted by el ganador | January 31, 2008 11:54 AM

She'll endorse Clinton. Just watch. No, not necessarily because of any gender thing, but because she invariably chooses the "safe", establishment, business-as-usual option given the choice.

Posted by tsm | January 31, 2008 11:57 AM

I wonder if Chris is smart enough to grok that she'd be showing Seattle respect by endorsing Obama, tho? I mean, it's like she's gone out of her way to hammer down her numbers here - and the reality is that this city is the literal margin by whether she wins or loses the statewide election.

Heck, just one of our districts - 43rd, 36th, or 32nd - provides her with all the margin she needs.

But maybe the Gov's staffers are clueless about that and she's not grok with the fact that WE are the people that elect her.

Posted by Will in Seattle | January 31, 2008 12:07 PM

"Nothing to lose?"

Unless of course Clinton wins the endorsement, as national polls all predict. But it's not like Clinton has a long memory and a history of taking rejections personally.

Posted by Big Sven | January 31, 2008 12:24 PM

The reason that endorsements from major politicos matter is precisely because the candidates remember who aid what, and backing the wrong horse is much worse than keeping your mouth shut.

Time will tell if Teddy K made a smart or a dumb call.

Clinton/Obama 2008, by the way.

Posted by Big Sven | January 31, 2008 12:27 PM

I wonder which old score Hillary will settle in her first act as president. And which old score she will settle in her second act as president. I wonder how many old scores she will have time to settle before she begins spending the rest of her presidency defending herself against new grudges.

Posted by elenchos | January 31, 2008 12:34 PM

Hey, Stephanie @6: what's wrong with a little jazz hands between friends?

Posted by Fnarf | January 31, 2008 12:38 PM
But it's not like Clinton has a long memory and a history of taking rejections personally.

Ah, bitter revenge, the driving force of every great leader. A President should aspire to nothing more.

Posted by tsm | January 31, 2008 12:59 PM

she'd get more traction ramming a surface solution down WSDOT's collective throat.

i could give a rip if she endorses clintbama or oblinton.

Posted by max solomon | January 31, 2008 1:08 PM

Let's not forget that Shelton and Silverdale are way, WAY Republican. And I wouldn't call them 'eastern' unless you mean east of the Olympics.

Posted by Greg | January 31, 2008 1:18 PM

Two words for you: Emily's List.

Posted by Brian | January 31, 2008 1:20 PM

elenchos, want to make 2 bets?

1. on hillary being nominated
2. double or nothing on hillary winning the general?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | January 31, 2008 1:22 PM

e@13: My point is that Josh's analysis is flawed.

All politicians reward those that supported them early, and marginalize those that opposed them. All of them. Except Ghandi w.r.t. Jinna and look how that turned out...

Posted by Big Sven | January 31, 2008 1:29 PM

@18 - that's why I didn't contribute this year.

Posted by Will in Seattle | January 31, 2008 1:41 PM

What I love about Obama is he has captured the imagination of young, urban voters (YUV's). YUV's tend to be pro-gay marriage, pr0-choice, and in favor of environmental initiatives, transit, etc. All of my big issues.

The thing that concerns me most is that when we go into the general elections and the Republican's get nasty and the fight is on and the attacks and mudslinging begins those YUV's get turned off and start saying ..."well i hate politics anyway and my vote doesn't matter". And then they go to the bar and get a cocktail or turn on Project Runway and tune out.

I don't trust them to have the fortitude to withstand the realities of a full on down and dirty political campaign. And then we end up with President McCain and another Supreme Copurt Justice willing to overturn Roe v. Wade.

I already really like Hillary and think she would make a great president and a fantastic world leader.

Posted by Mrs. Y | January 31, 2008 1:41 PM

@12: Not gonna happen. Clinton & Obama like each other as much as their supporters. Dems give the WH to Reps AGAIN!

Posted by Glad to be an Independent | January 31, 2008 2:42 PM


I think Hillary will do whatever it takes to get elected. If Kennedy could pick Johnson, Clinton can pick Obama.

Posted by Big Sven | January 31, 2008 3:20 PM

You're saying Gregoire would be better accepted here if she had a hip, cool, imaginary black friend?

Posted by RonK, Seattle | January 31, 2008 5:20 PM

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