Slog - Comments on Sen. Patty Murray Endorses Clinton

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:43:36 -0800

*sigh*

If I have to try to talk people into voting for Hillary, will it destroy my soul?

Comment by heywhatsit

heywhatsit — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:44:22 -0800

Yes. It will.

Comment by Trey

Trey — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:46:27 -0800

Ah, Patty Murray - could any Democratic elected official better reflect the demographic profile (age, gender, race) of Hillary Clinton's remaining supporters? I think not.

Comment by bma

bma — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:50:19 -0800

No surprise there. She's pretty much just proved herself to be part of the Democratic party machine...

Comment by michael strangeways

michael strangeways — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:52:48 -0800

Chicks...they always go to the powder room in a group to plot the overthrow of society.

Comment by tsm

tsm — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:57:12 -0800

Man ... I don't know how I could phonebank for Hillary and keep a straight face.

I guess the Democratic party will remain hostage to a cadre of baby boomers for the time being.

Comment by mark

mark — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:12 -0800

you just lost my vote patty. i'll sit on my hands come election day if i have to.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:54 -0800

Where do you think "security at our northern border" (which doesn't want any capitalization) ranks on the list of issues voters are concerned about?

Comment by john

john — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:03:49 -0800

The bit of doubletalk in there that really gets me is when all these medium and long-term Democrats say that they've been standing strong against the administration and whatnot for the last umpteen years. I mean, if they had been doing that, for the last six months even, I don't think people would be clamoring for "change" quite so strongly.

Oh and um, "security at our Northern Border"? I guess I hadn't realized till now what an important issue that is. (??)

Comment by DOUG.

DOUG. — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:06:48 -0800

I wish Hillary had listened to Patty Murray's speech regarding her 'NO" vote on the 2002 Iraq War Resolution.

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:09:16 -0800

Northern border? Millennium, uh, bomber?

Comment by RonK, Seattle

RonK, Seattle — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:17:36 -0800

Ah, Trey -- Looking down your nose at the "mom in tennis shoes", one of seven kids of a multiple sclerosis affected veteran father, who rose from preschool teacher to workhorse deputy chair of Senate Appropriations and highest ranking woman Senator ever in her party's (or any party's) leadership?

If Clinton really wanted to play down and dirty, maybe they'd make you the poster child of their campaign.

Comment by ECB

ECB — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:21:17 -0800

Annie: "Which will matter more, initial position on the war or womanhood?"

From Murray's statement, sounds like neither.

But might as well ignore her REASONS and assume she endorsed based on gender. Silly women, they're like that. (Unlike men, who NEVER vote based on gender.)

Comment by tsm

tsm — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:29:35 -0800

assume she endorsed based on gender. Silly women, they're like that. (Unlike men, who NEVER vote based on gender.)

Well, I don't think anyone said the latter. But what are you saying with this additional little bit of snark, exactly? That women couldn't ever conceivably vote based on gender, but that men would?

Comment by RonK, Seattle

RonK, Seattle — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:31:41 -0800

Ah, Trey -- Looking down your nose at the "mom in tennis shoes", one of seven kids of a multiple sclerosis affected wounded veteran father, who rose from preschool teacher to workhorse deputy chair of Senate Appropriations and highest ranking woman Senator ever in her party's (or any party's) leadership?

If Clinton really wanted to play down and dirty, maybe they'd make you the poster child of their campaign.

Comment by hillside_hoyden

hillside_hoyden — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:34:32 -0800

Dig that crazy port security legislation! I think P.M. would vote for a tree frog if it helped her enact port security legislation.

Comment by Obama SuperFan

Obama SuperFan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:42:04 -0800

Obama needs only cool young people to win!

Comment by Clinton SuperFan

Clinton SuperFan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:58:51 -0800

Wrong, Obama SuperFan; we need to listen to the wisdom of the old folks who bring us Dukakises, Mondales, and Kerrys every four years! They know what's best for us!

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:03:36 -0800

Trey @3 said it best.

And I've still got her tennis shoe laces on my rearview mirror.

Each person gets to decide for themselves.

Remember Bob Dole.

Comment by Jiberish

Jiberish — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:04:13 -0800

they both came to washington in '93, murray as an elected official and hillary as the wife of one. when will people wake up to the fact that we are turning into a peronist society if we elect hillary clinton...

Comment by Mike of Renton

Mike of Renton — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:09:03 -0800

One of the reasons she might be supporting Clinton is that Obama's talk of throwing the lobbyists out of Washington is a threat to those earmarks Patty loves so much.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:09:15 -0800

I don't get the handwringing. A pretty impressive senator has endorsed a candidate different than me. I think I can take it.

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:16:58 -0800

If Hillary gets the nomination, I'm going to have the same sinking feeling I experienced when Gore chose Lieberman as his running mate and Kerry got the nomination.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:23:09 -0800

That sinking feeling worries me. There is a vast sea of potential Democratic votes out there for that feeling to sink into. Those votes MUST TURN OUT to beat a Republican; frankly, if non-Republicans can't get excited enough to actually VOTE, they deserve to lose. I don't see Hillary generating any kind of excitement at all, unfortunately; I think she will depress turnout overall -- and drive some potential voters to the other side. She is a robotic and dull speaker who puts her audiences to sleep. Whatever else you think about Obama, that is not his problem.

Comment by Dave Coffman

Dave Coffman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:34:48 -0800

I'm a strong dem through and through. But I refuse to have anything to do with Patty Murray since she was part of the group that FUCKED the gay and lesbian community with her Yes vote on DOMA. Till she decides we too can be part of the human race she's one I won't support.

So yes, she and Clinton both are fit for one another.

I'm an optimist and a realist. That's why I think Obama is the one to move forward and also that he needs help from everyone to make it happen.

BTW @22: I agree with you in principle. Not much handwringing here, it was expected...

Comment by COMTE

COMTE — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:35:41 -0800

What is it with Dems anyway? So many of them exhibit this disturbing attitude of "if candidate X does not fall 100% in line with my personal beliefs/convictions/agenda, then I absolutely CANNOT support them!"? Even if the candidate is say, 95% in line, many Dems would still prefer to "sit on their hands", and watch a GOP candidate (many of whose own supporters may in fact be holding their nose to some extent when walking into the voting booth) win an election.

Granted, we may see a similar reaction from Far-Right Evangelicals if someone like McCain or - Jove-forbid - Huckabee gets the nom, but for the most part, rank-and-file Repubs will support their candidate, despite having issues with significant parts of their platform (n which case, we're all screwed again for another 4 - 8 years).

Can someone please explain this phenomenon?

Comment by max solomon

max solomon — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:45:46 -0800

completely nonplussed.

Comment by BELMONT PLACE

BELMONT PLACE — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:09:11 -0800

@26 - Childishness, Comte, childishness. A lot of self-absorbed petulance out there from people who've been entitled their entire lives and have no idea of how to play well with others. Whatever the generation Under 40 is called.

Comment by switzerblog

switzerblog — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:15:20 -0800

For those wondering about the security at the northern border thing, that's been on Murray's priority list for YEARS. I don't share her endorsement, but nothing in there sounds out of character - she's focused on certain things that relate to Washington state, and HRC has helped her with those things over the years (as an example, if you've used a morning-after pill, you have HRC and Patty Murray to thank for keeping that fight alive).

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:24:33 -0800

@24,

I voted in 2000 and 2004. I'll vote again this year sinking feeling or no. I'm just concerned about what other people, who didn't have their civic duty drilled into them by their parents, do.

Comment by Jerry

Jerry — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:54:25 -0800

Yay! Keep up the good fight, ECB! We may pull this off yet with the first woman in the White House!

Comment by kk

kk — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:08:46 -0800

Wow. Shoveling money to port contractors, veterans benefits, nuclear cleanup contractors and border security. So good to see that the mantle of "Senator Pothole" has formally passed on to Patty Murray. This is truly a great progressive platform to run on. Go Hillary!!

Comment by blaine canada

blaine canada — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:50:42 -0800

The Northern Menace? Patty Murray takes South Park a bit too seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo

Comment by Big Sven

Big Sven — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:34:37 -0800

It's hilarious to see some people throw Democrats out of the boat for supporting Clinton. All in the name of inclusiveness and a kindler, better politics. Simply hilarious.

Obama will make a fine VP. We will have to work hard, but we will beat the Republicans in the fall because voters care about the economy, and when they do, we win. Then Obama will have a coronation in 2016.

Comment by OTW

OTW — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:01:03 -0800

From Mom in Tennis Shoes to the Loyal Insider.

How disappointing! You are supposed to do what is right for our state, our nation, and planet, not vote your personal loyalty.

Sounds like the time for change has come, Patty.