I can hear someone in the future saying something like this: “You know how bad Bush was? He was so bad, so hopeless, so ignorant, he made white folks vote for a black president. You can’t get no worse than that. No siree!”
Charles, I think the person listening to someone say that would reply "shut up and smell the coffee you racist idiot. This isn't the 1960s." Of course, the same fool would say the same if a woman was president too.
Heh. Already posted by Jack Turner at jackandjillpolitics blogspot: "I would like to take this opportunity to thank George W. Bush, for if he hadn't of been such an utter failure on so many levels, then the country wouldn't remotely be open to the 'possibility' of a Black man as President."
Wow, Michelle Obama is HOT in this picture. Too bad the campaign probably forces her to drab it up to look more conservative. As to the point of this post, I hope you're wrong. After all, there are plenty of honkies running for people to choose from if it was about all that.
that would be a retarded utterance, now or ever, but I sure hope we get to have this beautiful couple as our president and first lady... just imagine, we could truly be proud of our country again!
is there something wrong with SLOG today? I make a post then it doesn't appear, then I come back to that thread 10 minutes later to repost and then they both appear...
what up?
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michael strangeways |
January 4, 2008 2:53 PM
The Democrats will beat the Repubos because Bush was such a low-life loser but Obama won't win the Dem nomination because of Bush, maybe because of Hill and Edwards but not Bush.
i like how people are jumping on the "chaz is a dolt" bandwagon because he made a dumb comment like this. nevermind all the other tripe he posts about star wars and hans solo being a black man, and trying to mix architecture with politics or some inane shit. you're all shorting charles when he is already at rock bottom.
2) Of the four reasons that white Americans like Obama, one of the biggest is this: he is not a black American in the historical sense. His pronounced African side (it’s something his publicity team promotes with no hesitance) removes a historic sting that, say, a white African (or European) would instantly feel if Obama was in power in Africa.
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amused as shit |
January 4, 2008 3:38 PM
I've heard Michelle Obama speak 2 - 3 times now on CSPAN, and she's just as good as Barak is. Looks like this could be another two-fer...(but likely without all the follow-on results of the last one...)
america likes to pick the BETTER LOOKING candidate. bush was better looking than kerry. reagan was better looking than carter. clinton was better looking than bush 41. kennedy was better looking than nixon.
obama is the best looking candidate; tall, thin, athletic, high yellow.
I wonder if Obama wins will our country please focus on other issues besides him enjoying his ride as the first Black President. This actually should not even be an issue if equal treatment was involved. Also, what experience is this clown going to bring to DC. With whom is this inexperienced pretender going to fill his cabinet with? If he is anything like Marion Barry of DC or the idiot Nagin down in New Orleans, our country is cooked. Those were prime examples on just bringing in your friends without any experience and driving the whole city into the toilet. Except this time it will be the country. This guy is just a smooth talker and nothing more. No experience and nothing to bring to the table. Shows how smart our voters are in this country.
and my response:
Posted by wisepunk at 1/4/08 12:04 a.m.
wow. Burton. Exactly how much xenophobic racism can you spew in a single paragraph? I really am thankful for idiots like you. I'm not a hillary fan and if she was to be the dem nom I'm sure that you and your "equals" would yell and scream enough to sway just enough of the public to ensure another "2000" style election. You don't get to do that with Obama.
You seriously want to invoke a "my race is better than your race" argument as to why we shouldn't vote for him. Are you friggin serious? This guy graduated Magna Cum Laud from harvard law, and you invoke Nagin.
You know what? I'm glad you laid out your ideas now. It will be like watching the extiction of a useless species, evoloution at its most creul. The death of the mindset like yours will be the greatest achievement of the American society. Years from now I want to be able to ask you, "do you realize now that we were right?"
You ask for experience. Was that your reason for the bush vote in 2004? The rich kid who ran every business he was ever handed into the ground was "experienced". It is time for a change, and I will take the choices of Barack Obama.
You can call me an elitist kike who is out to get you. And you would be right. I don't claim to be perfect, but I did SERVE my country(3/77 armor kuwait 91). I put myself through college (go cougs). Hell, I was even in Mensa for a year (there were people speaking kligon at the first meeting, I had to quit). I was correct in every prediction that I made about GWB prior to the 2000 election, even about the invasion of Iraq before the 2000 election! I KNOW in my heart that I am on the winning team. I know that you and your simple, silly ideas are on the way out, and if we can't change your mind, then your children will wonder when they are adults how you could have been so wrong.
It's coming. The perfect storm. All the evil lies that you have been told, and have probaly repeated, will be shown to be false. This country will be stronger, and the stupidity of your ideas will be mocked for generations to come. Your sky is falling, and the sun is rising on ours.
@39 - ok ... well, again, I don't get it. Is the point supposed to be that Charles is a racist for believing that a lot of white Americans find it hard to vote for a black guy? Because honestly, if you think that's not true, and that pointing it out is "racist", you're pretty deluded.
@36: Bravo, wisepunk. See you at Moe on Thursday--I'll buy you a $2 beer.
I wonder what those who think Obama will appoint inexperienced friends to his administration think of the incompetent dolts we have been stuck with for the past 7+ years. The botched response to Katrina? Waterboarding? Warrantless wiretapping? Underequipped soldiers in Iraq? The war in Iraq, period? I can't wait until this nightmare is over.
Forgive my ignorance, but can someone kindly explain to me how Barack counts as Black? Seems to be at least 50% White to me, so why apply the incorrect label? As he fulfills the constitutional requirement for the office (which I assume he does, unlike say, Arnold the Governator) he is sufficient for the post of president of the U.S.A.
It always strikes me as odd how a half black (sorry, can't recall his father's origins) man is "Black" and not the other half. WTF is that?
What a backwards world you folks live in. In the words of my father (about as un-PC an individual as you can get), Barrack's a zebra. About 50% black and 50% white.
Ah, fuck this post, it sounds completely assinine even to me.
Anyways, it still is odd that Barrack's spoken of as a "Black" man rather than a "White" man as by whatever logic results in him being categorized as "Black", he's just as "White". Unless of course you are some kind of poor thinker, in which case whatever fucked up label you can come up with to keep someone down works.
In short, it's not clear that the U.S. will in fact, properly understood, have its first Black president should Barrack be elected. If bloodlines are what determines "Black" or blackness, pick a pureblood (ie. no white ancestors) descendent of the Shona, Tutsi, Hutu, or Zulu or other African ethnic group (there are a hundred or so Bantu descended ethnic groups that work), who's parents immigrated to the U.S. and who was born in the U.S. Then, from the twisted logic that seems to be at work here, the U.S. will have elected a "Black" president properly understood. For Barrack, I think that it could correctly be said that the U.S. elected the best man for the job, a good man (or at least decenet enough to pass muster), but not an unqualified "Black" man. That would be something of a lie.
I digress again, I guess I haven't blathered enough just yet.
As a follow up to my somewhat (but not really) assinine post above, there is no question that Hillary is a woman. There is no falseness in saying that she would be the first woman elected as president of the U.S.A. However, in my view, no such simple statement could be made of Mr. Obama (see my argument above on this point).
If anyone thinks this a stupid thing to say, consider what would happen if, say, Jamie Lee Curtis was elected as President. You'd have a human being that looked like a woman (and quite an attractive one at that) as president, but she would in fact be a male (genetically speaking anyways). She'd be the best damn looking president the United States ever had, but IMHO properly understood, she could not properly be considered a woman president. This is no slight to Jamie Lee, or to women, but the complexities of the real world do not fit into some easily categorized box as people seem to like to think (a la Tiger Woods, another one who is not, strictly speaking, "Black").
Good thing for Hillary she doesn't have that problem. Could you imagine the ruckus that would cause?
With luck, one day it will be sufficient that whoever it is that is in issue is A. human, B. competent, C. on our side (whatever that means in the context) and nothing else will matter too much. That day is far, far off, but one day, with luck, we'll see it.
Wet_Suit, with a quick trip to Wikipedia you could have found out that Barack (one R) Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1961. As a native born American over the age of 35 he therefore satisfies the constitutional requirements to hold the office of president. He is also, as you point out, of racially mixed ancestry. His father was Kenyan, his mother Caucasian (sorry, I don't know which specific European country her ancestors came from).
It is a uniquely American phenomenon that if anyone has any known African ancestry they are considered black. Once upon a time there were several categories for people of mixed race: mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, etc. These terms are obviously considered offensive today; only mulatto appears in my American Heritage dictionary. But prior to the Civil War persons classified as such had different rights and privileges denied to those of pure African ancestry. Things changed in the post-Civil War South when whites decided that anyone with any African ancestry (the term was "one drop" of African blood) was considered black. This situation was satirized in Mark Twain's novel Pudd'nhead Wilson and the 1920's musical Show Boat. And, as I mentioned, it is uniquely American. Even South Africa under apartheid had a separate legal category ("coloured") for people of mixed race.
I don't know if this answers your question of why Obama is considered black even though one of his parents is white, but obviously the one drop theory still goes for more than a few Americans. As for whether Obama's race will hurt him in the election, I doubt if the trailer trash bigots who won't vote for a black man would be voting for a Democrat anyway. For myself, I would be jumping for joy if we had someone in the White House, regardless of race or gender, who can start to undo the damage of this present administration. Quite a challenge for whoever that person is.
Also, regarding the alleged hermaphroditism of Jamie Lee Curtis--totally bogus urban legend. The one about the poodle in the microwave is more believable.
And finally, @17 regarding Mrs Obama's KMart dress, take it from RainMan: KMart sucks.
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January 5, 2008 5:40 PM
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And yet, I cannot hear that. Another pointless post.
Way to troll Charlie.
That's a great photo of him and his wife.
Charles, I think the person listening to someone say that would reply "shut up and smell the coffee you racist idiot. This isn't the 1960s." Of course, the same fool would say the same if a woman was president too.
RACIST!
Heh. Already posted by Jack Turner at jackandjillpolitics blogspot: "I would like to take this opportunity to thank George W. Bush, for if he hadn't of been such an utter failure on so many levels, then the country wouldn't remotely be open to the 'possibility' of a Black man as President."
Sad. Disturbing. And very likely will come to pass. Ugh.
Wow, Michelle Obama is HOT in this picture. Too bad the campaign probably forces her to drab it up to look more conservative. As to the point of this post, I hope you're wrong. After all, there are plenty of honkies running for people to choose from if it was about all that.
A coherent, comprehensible Mudede post that I agree with. That's twice in less than a year, I think.
haven't you argued in the past that Obama isn't really black? or not black enough to count for you?
ddv
that would be a retarded utterance, now or ever, but I sure hope we get to have this beautiful couple as our president and first lady... just imagine, we could truly be proud of our country again!
Did ECB just log on at Charles for this post?
What a waste of electrons. Seriously.
Aaaaaaaaaand what's your point?
the first knock-out first lady....
but i have to admit that, to me, Barack looks a little like a Batman villain....
This post is blatant racism.
Please, somebody put back the lime Jell-O that you stole from Charles' cranium.
Yowza!
I am so looking forward to seeing them in the White House! Gonna be neat!
And thinking about how good it will be knowing we have competent people - at last ...
That's unacceptable. Not funny. C'mon Charles, keep stupid stuff like that to yourself.
She's gorgeous, but that dress looks like it came from the Martha Stewart Sheet Collection at KMart...
I like Obama, but he DOES look a little bit like a Batman villain in that picture...
is there something wrong with SLOG today? I make a post then it doesn't appear, then I come back to that thread 10 minutes later to repost and then they both appear...
what up?
Some of you folks aint ever been to the south.
Y'all is crazy.
The Democrats will beat the Repubos because Bush was such a low-life loser but Obama won't win the Dem nomination because of Bush, maybe because of Hill and Edwards but not Bush.
Didn't I read that Slog spent all morning trying to block racist comments? I was hoping that meant that they'd fired the Mudede person.
And it took the Civil War to get our first gay president.
WTF!
Stick to talking about buildings.
...who needs the future when charles is saying it now? bad form, charles.
Charles is keepin' it real.
@ 21: comment of the YEAR.
i like how people are jumping on the "chaz is a dolt" bandwagon because he made a dumb comment like this. nevermind all the other tripe he posts about star wars and hans solo being a black man, and trying to mix architecture with politics or some inane shit. you're all shorting charles when he is already at rock bottom.
@9 for the fookin' win. i remember reading that post.
allow me to quote 2006 charlesfunny, that.
fucking blockquote tags.
here's the quote:
2) Of the four reasons that white Americans like Obama, one of the biggest is this: he is not a black American in the historical sense. His pronounced African side (it’s something his publicity team promotes with no hesitance) removes a historic sting that, say, a white African (or European) would instantly feel if Obama was in power in Africa.
I've heard Michelle Obama speak 2 - 3 times now on CSPAN, and she's just as good as Barak is. Looks like this could be another two-fer...(but likely without all the follow-on results of the last one...)
america likes to pick the BETTER LOOKING candidate. bush was better looking than kerry. reagan was better looking than carter. clinton was better looking than bush 41. kennedy was better looking than nixon.
obama is the best looking candidate; tall, thin, athletic, high yellow.
edwards is good looking too, but the hair...
Charles' prediction is correct. Some day, years from now, they will say that. When you hear it, remember this day, and send Charles an apology.
Best photo ever of those two. USA! USA! USA!
Totally! USA!
way to be pessimistic.
From the comments on the pi today...
Posted by Burton38 at 1/3/08 11:29 p.m.
I wonder if Obama wins will our country please focus on other issues besides him enjoying his ride as the first Black President. This actually should not even be an issue if equal treatment was involved. Also, what experience is this clown going to bring to DC. With whom is this inexperienced pretender going to fill his cabinet with? If he is anything like Marion Barry of DC or the idiot Nagin down in New Orleans, our country is cooked. Those were prime examples on just bringing in your friends without any experience and driving the whole city into the toilet. Except this time it will be the country. This guy is just a smooth talker and nothing more. No experience and nothing to bring to the table. Shows how smart our voters are in this country.
and my response:
Posted by wisepunk at 1/4/08 12:04 a.m.
wow. Burton. Exactly how much xenophobic racism can you spew in a single paragraph? I really am thankful for idiots like you. I'm not a hillary fan and if she was to be the dem nom I'm sure that you and your "equals" would yell and scream enough to sway just enough of the public to ensure another "2000" style election. You don't get to do that with Obama.
You seriously want to invoke a "my race is better than your race" argument as to why we shouldn't vote for him. Are you friggin serious? This guy graduated Magna Cum Laud from harvard law, and you invoke Nagin.
You know what? I'm glad you laid out your ideas now. It will be like watching the extiction of a useless species, evoloution at its most creul. The death of the mindset like yours will be the greatest achievement of the American society. Years from now I want to be able to ask you, "do you realize now that we were right?"
You ask for experience. Was that your reason for the bush vote in 2004? The rich kid who ran every business he was ever handed into the ground was "experienced". It is time for a change, and I will take the choices of Barack Obama.
You can call me an elitist kike who is out to get you. And you would be right. I don't claim to be perfect, but I did SERVE my country(3/77 armor kuwait 91). I put myself through college (go cougs). Hell, I was even in Mensa for a year (there were people speaking kligon at the first meeting, I had to quit). I was correct in every prediction that I made about GWB prior to the 2000 election, even about the invasion of Iraq before the 2000 election! I KNOW in my heart that I am on the winning team. I know that you and your simple, silly ideas are on the way out, and if we can't change your mind, then your children will wonder when they are adults how you could have been so wrong.
It's coming. The perfect storm. All the evil lies that you have been told, and have probaly repeated, will be shown to be false. This country will be stronger, and the stupidity of your ideas will be mocked for generations to come. Your sky is falling, and the sun is rising on ours.
@15:
>>I am so looking forward to seeing them in the White House! Gonna be neat!
yes, especially when Bill O'Reilly is amazed that they have State Dinners where no one is yelling "M-Fer, I want more iced tea".
I don't get it. What's racist about this post? Is it that Mudede is saying that white people are racist? Isn't that self-evident?
keshmeshi belongs to the school of thought where only white people can be racist.
just imagine their first day in the white house! :) OMG!
Every person in the land can breathe freedom together...
I wouldn't get in a lather over this, Charles. The punch line of that tasteless jape only works when...there's a black president!
Game, set, match: black president.
But personally, I'm thrilled to death I don't give a fuck color what he is. I just like the guy.
* color what he is??? Really? WTF? Ladies and germs, that's the Puligny-Montrachet talking.
WIMTSW, "what color he is."
and I hope you feel the same about Mugabe.
@39 - ok ... well, again, I don't get it. Is the point supposed to be that Charles is a racist for believing that a lot of white Americans find it hard to vote for a black guy? Because honestly, if you think that's not true, and that pointing it out is "racist", you're pretty deluded.
@36: Bravo, wisepunk. See you at Moe on Thursday--I'll buy you a $2 beer.
I wonder what those who think Obama will appoint inexperienced friends to his administration think of the incompetent dolts we have been stuck with for the past 7+ years. The botched response to Katrina? Waterboarding? Warrantless wiretapping? Underequipped soldiers in Iraq? The war in Iraq, period? I can't wait until this nightmare is over.
Forgive my ignorance, but can someone kindly explain to me how Barack counts as Black? Seems to be at least 50% White to me, so why apply the incorrect label? As he fulfills the constitutional requirement for the office (which I assume he does, unlike say, Arnold the Governator) he is sufficient for the post of president of the U.S.A.
It always strikes me as odd how a half black (sorry, can't recall his father's origins) man is "Black" and not the other half. WTF is that?
What a backwards world you folks live in. In the words of my father (about as un-PC an individual as you can get), Barrack's a zebra. About 50% black and 50% white.
Ah, fuck this post, it sounds completely assinine even to me.
Anyways, it still is odd that Barrack's spoken of as a "Black" man rather than a "White" man as by whatever logic results in him being categorized as "Black", he's just as "White". Unless of course you are some kind of poor thinker, in which case whatever fucked up label you can come up with to keep someone down works.
In short, it's not clear that the U.S. will in fact, properly understood, have its first Black president should Barrack be elected. If bloodlines are what determines "Black" or blackness, pick a pureblood (ie. no white ancestors) descendent of the Shona, Tutsi, Hutu, or Zulu or other African ethnic group (there are a hundred or so Bantu descended ethnic groups that work), who's parents immigrated to the U.S. and who was born in the U.S. Then, from the twisted logic that seems to be at work here, the U.S. will have elected a "Black" president properly understood. For Barrack, I think that it could correctly be said that the U.S. elected the best man for the job, a good man (or at least decenet enough to pass muster), but not an unqualified "Black" man. That would be something of a lie.
Enough of my blather for one day.
I digress again, I guess I haven't blathered enough just yet.
As a follow up to my somewhat (but not really) assinine post above, there is no question that Hillary is a woman. There is no falseness in saying that she would be the first woman elected as president of the U.S.A. However, in my view, no such simple statement could be made of Mr. Obama (see my argument above on this point).
If anyone thinks this a stupid thing to say, consider what would happen if, say, Jamie Lee Curtis was elected as President. You'd have a human being that looked like a woman (and quite an attractive one at that) as president, but she would in fact be a male (genetically speaking anyways). She'd be the best damn looking president the United States ever had, but IMHO properly understood, she could not properly be considered a woman president. This is no slight to Jamie Lee, or to women, but the complexities of the real world do not fit into some easily categorized box as people seem to like to think (a la Tiger Woods, another one who is not, strictly speaking, "Black").
Good thing for Hillary she doesn't have that problem. Could you imagine the ruckus that would cause?
With luck, one day it will be sufficient that whoever it is that is in issue is A. human, B. competent, C. on our side (whatever that means in the context) and nothing else will matter too much. That day is far, far off, but one day, with luck, we'll see it.
Wet_Suit, with a quick trip to Wikipedia you could have found out that Barack (one R) Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1961. As a native born American over the age of 35 he therefore satisfies the constitutional requirements to hold the office of president. He is also, as you point out, of racially mixed ancestry. His father was Kenyan, his mother Caucasian (sorry, I don't know which specific European country her ancestors came from).
It is a uniquely American phenomenon that if anyone has any known African ancestry they are considered black. Once upon a time there were several categories for people of mixed race: mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, etc. These terms are obviously considered offensive today; only mulatto appears in my American Heritage dictionary. But prior to the Civil War persons classified as such had different rights and privileges denied to those of pure African ancestry. Things changed in the post-Civil War South when whites decided that anyone with any African ancestry (the term was "one drop" of African blood) was considered black. This situation was satirized in Mark Twain's novel Pudd'nhead Wilson and the 1920's musical Show Boat. And, as I mentioned, it is uniquely American. Even South Africa under apartheid had a separate legal category ("coloured") for people of mixed race.
I don't know if this answers your question of why Obama is considered black even though one of his parents is white, but obviously the one drop theory still goes for more than a few Americans. As for whether Obama's race will hurt him in the election, I doubt if the trailer trash bigots who won't vote for a black man would be voting for a Democrat anyway. For myself, I would be jumping for joy if we had someone in the White House, regardless of race or gender, who can start to undo the damage of this present administration. Quite a challenge for whoever that person is.
Also, regarding the alleged hermaphroditism of Jamie Lee Curtis--totally bogus urban legend. The one about the poodle in the microwave is more believable.
And finally, @17 regarding Mrs Obama's KMart dress, take it from RainMan: KMart sucks.
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