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<description> The FDA just determined that food from cloned animals is safe for human consumption. What standard did they use to make that assessment? According to the Washington Post, the same simple but effective standard used by farmers since the dawn of agriculture: If a farm animal appears in all respects to be healthy, then presume that food from that animal is safe to eat. Feeling reassured? Consider this: Cows with Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), or &quot;mad cow&quot; disease, &quot;appear in all respects to be healthy,&quot; too--all respects the FDA measures, that is. That&apos;s how they&apos;ve ended up in our...</description>
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<title>Comment by lauren</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well,I WAS having a hard time committing to vegetarianism.</p>]]></description>
<author>lauren</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899377</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:43:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Just think of the wonders of single-DNA wildfire cross-contaminated diseases!</p>

<p>Think of how great it will be to not just watch 10 percent of animals get sick from a disease, but 100 percent of all of them to literally DIE from it.</p>

<p>Oh my this will make Avian Bird Flu (H5N1) look like a wonderful thing ....</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899381</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:46:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Providence</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mmmmmmmmmm, malformed clones.  Yummy.</p>]]></description>
<author>Providence</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899382</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:47:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cato the Younger Younger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Damn!! Remember that REALLY great steak you had?  Now you can have that same great steak over and over and over again!  </p>

<p>I LOVE America!!!</p>]]></description>
<author>Cato the Younger Younger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899387</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:48:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by sceptic</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey, they're being fed 'patented'  GM grains;<br />
it all comes out even.</p>]]></description>
<author>sceptic</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899399</link>
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<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:56:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Matthew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I just want tasty meat that will take at least 30 years to kill me (via clogged heart). Is that too much to ask?</p>]]></description>
<author>Matthew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899401</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899401</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:00:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hamburglar</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Cloning animals is currently prohibitively expensive, so I wouldn't get all hot-n-bothered by this bit of news; you're not going to be buying cloned beef anytime soon.</p>]]></description>
<author>hamburglar</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899414</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899414</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:10:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by vooodooo84</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Remember all those mistakes that get created when creating clones and genetic hybrids?  now when they ask that you kill them for being freaks of nature the meat doesn't have to go to waste.</p>]]></description>
<author>vooodooo84</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899417</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899417</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:11:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gitai</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's kind of ridiculous even in a financial sense.  A monoculture leaves tremendous vulnerability to disease, which is why there are organizations dedicated to storing varieties of seeds and livestock that aren't being cultivated on a large scale, so we'll have them ready to go when (not if) a particularly virulent ergot or virus decides to wipe out all the Roundup Ready wheat in America, we won't be paying $25 for a loaf of bread, at least not for a period of years.  </p>

<p>I mean, if I were a rancher that raised organic cattle and bred from a variety of bulls, I'd be all for this.  It would mean tons more money for me.  But I think big agribusiness is being shortsighted.</p>]]></description>
<author>Gitai</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899420</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899420</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:13:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gloria</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the great Rob Riggle piece on cloned steaks. </p>]]></description>
<author>Gloria</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899421</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899421</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:13:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by vooodooo84</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>That has to be the most insane standard for food safety in history, its one step up from <br />
>12 maggots on the meat = unsafe<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>vooodooo84</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899422</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899422</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:14:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by kinaidos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Seems like they'd be better off creating artificial meat.  Why clone the whole animal when all you want is the steak.  The artificial meat would also come with the perk of not being sentient.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>kinaidos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899423</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:15:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by tsm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm suspicious of both untested food technology and food Luddism. It would probably be beneficial to require cloned meat labeling, for both consumers' and scientists' benefit, but ... what are you looking for here? They don't spontaneously get BSE, they've fed cloned milk and meat to animals without any negative effects, and the nutritional profile is essentially the same. (They did do more than just watch them in the fields to see if they looked sick, actually.) </p>

<p>Can we breed a cow that produces far less methane, and clone it mercilessly? Given that livestock are a significant contributor to environmental destruction, would this not be progress?</p>]]></description>
<author>tsm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899426</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899426</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:18:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hernandez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm just waiting for the day they can clone chickens to hatch in the shape of McNuggets.  That's when I'll be worried.</p>]]></description>
<author>Hernandez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899428</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899428</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:20:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by tsm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@12 - I've been waiting for that too. I thought I was the only person who was enthralled, not grossed out, by the prospect of eating vat-grown meat. Tasty, and death-free!</p>]]></description>
<author>tsm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899430</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899430</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:21:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Irena</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I don't feel particularly threatened by clones, and I agree with @7 & 9 about the prohibitive costs. But I'd like to know what Jonathon Golob has to say about it.</p>]]></description>
<author>Irena</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899432</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899432</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:21:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by K</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, you can do what I do, and don't eat that meat crap.</p>]]></description>
<author>K</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899435</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899435</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:24:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by JD</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, we are basically eating cloned meat already given that there is a huge market for bull semen</p>]]></description>
<author>JD</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899448</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899448</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:32:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by LMSW</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>the real bummer will come when they claim that there is no need to label meat that came from a cloned genetic line and then outlaw claiming that meat did not come from such lines. </p>]]></description>
<author>LMSW</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899450</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899450</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:32:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by stunner</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Cloning human cells = crime against god</p>

<p>Cloning all other animals = delicious</p>

<p></p>

<p>?!?!</p>]]></description>
<author>stunner</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899469</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899469</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:49:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@18 - I thought we weren't talking about the GOP in this thread?</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899494</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899494</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:00:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@13 - tsm, we already do this, they're called buffalo or bison.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899547</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899547</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:43:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dylan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There was a great article about this in Wired a month or two ago, before the FDA approval:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/15-11/ff_clonedmeat" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/15-11/ff_clonedmeat</a></p>]]></description>
<author>Dylan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899553</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899553</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:51:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by COMTE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Woo-hoo!</p>

<p>Can't wait for the first "Long Pig" stand to open up on the Hill!</p>]]></description>
<author>COMTE</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899605</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899605</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:40:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Boomer in NYC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I'm just glad we have that army of clones to protect us from Count Dooku and those no-good Separatists.  </p>

<p>Palpatine in 2008!</p>]]></description>
<author>Boomer in NYC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899606</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899606</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:40:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ben</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@12 & @15: I'm on board.  I've wanted real fake meat for years.  If we could vat-grow chicken drumsticks with bones, that's be just about perfect.</p>]]></description>
<author>Ben</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899659</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899659</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:28:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by kipp</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Apart from concern about the suffering of all the "unsuccessful" clones that die young and the problems with disease-run-amok in cloned populations, there isn't any reason to be concerned about cloned meat itself because it's just meat.</p>

<p>Maybe Ms. B could have spend around 20 seconds on a google search to corroborate her claim that the FDA merely "looked at" the animals to assess their safety. Maybe she could have also spent around 5 minutes learning how farm-animal cloning works. It isn't really possible for cloning to generate "dangerous" meat.</p>

<p>But of course, I know journalists have more important things to do than research the claims they make in their work...</p>]]></description>
<author>kipp</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899726</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899726</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:53:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>And people ask why I'm a vegan ...</p>]]></description>
<author>Jo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899798</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899798</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:31:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by wet_suit</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>One thing I've never understood is how cloned food could possible be bad for us?  </p>

<p>The nucleases, lipases, amylases and proteases in our digestive tract reduce the animal/plant to it's constitutent amino acids, nucleic acids, lipids and simple sugars.  This basic stuff all goes into us and is synthesized into more of us...</p>

<p>Sure, everything doesn't get broken down precisely, but assuming clones are the same as their predecessor, if you would have eaten the uncloned predecessor, why wouldn't you eat the clone?  It's the same animal (in theory).</p>

<p>Doesn't make any sense to me, but then the world is a place that I don't get...</p>

<p>Also, I note that predators in the wild almost always eat the sick and the weak first.  Tigers, lions, wolves etc. don't seem to be doing too badly (but for human encroachments) for eating sick and weak prey.  Why would it be any different than us?</p>

<p>Finally, can anyone point to a single animal that our species has ever eaten that has demonstrably harmed us?</p>

<p>Beef may not be best for you (in terms of heart disease), but I'm not seeing that any particular animal as food is "bad" for us.  Sure, some are definitely better than others, but hey, who wants to live forever?  Me, I'll take the odd tasty steak now and again.</p>

<p>The Wet One </p>]]></description>
<author>wet_suit</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899817</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c899817</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:31:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Look, wet suit, it isn't a prob if cloned food is a very small fraction of the food supply.  Which just accelerates normal breeding processes and is then bred back into the normal gene pool.  Where it becomes an issue is monogenetic livestock pools - entire herds of the same animal. Or same two or three animals.</p>

<p>Leaving aside what happens when the same DNA male breeds with the same DNA female, it creates all the conditions needed for wildfire disease contagion and lack of immunity to many more common diseases. Part of what keeps you alive when some people get sick is they're not you - they are slightly different.</p>

<p>This is why evolution works - our differences allow us to adapt to our conditions, over time.</p>

<p>Even babies are preprogrammed based on the mothers prior birth experiences and the mothers environment - if you are born during famine times, you will be preprogrammed to be more efficient.</p>

<p>Now, any more questions, go crack open some biology texts.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c900029</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/cloned_food_what_gets_measured_matters#c900029</guid>
<category>Chow</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:25:38 -0800</pubDate>
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