Since it's doubtful that Edwards will get the nomination (though god knows anything could happen)...what are the odds of him taking a Vice nomination again? Is there a precedent of that happening twice in a row before?

My dream would still be Edwards/Obama. I can't envision any circumstance in which Edwards would accept (or be offered) a veep nomination again. Stranger things have happened, though.

in short, the odds are against a clinton/obama ticket.

now, mccain/huckabee on the other hand...

Note: I'm not an American... Just an avid follower of the campaigns here in Australia.

You heard it here first.

Mark Warner fits that mould. First of all, he currently doesn't have a job. He backed out of the race for the nomination very quickly. He's younger than Vilsack, and he's a pro-gun Southerner.

And DUDE! Clinton totally forgot about Mike Gravel in her victory speech!

But they'll be hard pressed to beat Cheney/Satan '08 (already seen as bumper sticker here in Pittsburgh).

If Clinton gets the nomination, I bet she'll choose former Virginia gov Mark Warner Sen. Jim Webb, another Virginian.

Overall, I think the NH result won't be that significant. They'll probably spill NV (Clinton) and SC (Obama), and Super Tuesday will be huge and unpredictable.

Obama's speech tonight was WAY better than Hillary's, more about the good of the whole than about him (the opposite of Hillary's), and less staged -- she shipped in lots of college kids to show the "youth" like her too...

I think Clinton would swallow her pride and have Obama for VP if it would guarentee her the prez. Her ambition is way bigger than her pride. I'm not sure the same is true if Obama gets the nom though.

The question is will that pattern be broken this time? Will the candidate who breaks the mold end up the nominee? IS that candidate DNC-approved Clinton? Centrist Obama? Or, ironically, the Southern White Guy Populist Edwards, who, if he were actually to try to do what he says he believes, would be the most revolutionary of the three, gender and skin-color aside. (And I'm a committed Obamaton.)

But would having the first person of color as a mainstream party VP candidate finally make the difference and mobilize black, progressive, and youth voters in unprecedented number?
(Hoping that is they don't face roadblocks (Florida 2000) and long lines/too few machines (Ohio 2004) or hell-knows-what the Machia-Rovian machine dreams up this time...)

Clinton '08!!

And yeah, there doesn't have to be any great love between the two people. Think Kennedy and Johnson. The job of the VP is to lie low for eight years. Hell, even as President of the Senate he does little more than bang a gavel. Only very rarely has he cast a deciding vote.

Osama may be willing to do that, but I doubt Hillary wants someone that popular in the second position.

And yeah, there doesn't have to be any great love between the two people. Think Kennedy and Johnson. The job of the VP is to lie low for eight years. Hell, even as President of the Senate he does little more than bang a gavel. Only very rarely has he cast a deciding vote.

Osama may be willing to do that, but I doubt Hillary wants someone that popular in the second position.

And yeah, there doesn't have to be any great love between the two people. Think Kennedy and Johnson. The job of the VP is to lie low for eight years. Hell, even as President of the Senate he does little more than bang a gavel. Only very rarely has he cast a deciding vote.

Osama may be willing to do that, but I doubt Hillary wants someone that popular in the second position.

Sorry for the triple post. A computer glitch. Server timed out (or so it said).

Now, back to drinking.

P.S. Does anyone else remember Chris Rock's routine re why there will never be a black vice president?

I believe Fnarf was referring to the fact that Senator Edwards was born in South Carolina, though (you're right) he was once a Senator from North Carolina... and there is a significant difference between the two states.

Andy..lesson learned. Never post when you have the flu. My apologies to Barack.

It's expedient for Hillary to choose Obama as a running mate and for once, such a choice would make a difference. I have never met anyone who voted for a president on the strength of his vice presidential choice, however.

Edwards would never accept 2nd spot again. And if Obama got the nomination, Hillary would not accept the VP silver ribbon.

Christ, I'm beginning to sound like Will - lamely rambling on, pedagogic and pointless. Go Hill! And @70 who's going to read this far?

Clinton/Obama would be great. I think it would be a great balance. Obama with his oratory skills and high aspirations (and he's a MAN, so add man implications)and Hilary has contacts, experience, can bridge a divide and get things done.

So yeah, I think its a dream ticket. The bigger ticket will be if McCain really gets back in the game and has Guiliani as a VP. Most moderates and independents would be tempted by that ticket.

@48: Cheney has, good or bad, forever changed the office of the Vice President. Instead of being someone in waiting the VP will be a power player in Washington politics regardless of who is elected. As for the "has beens" I agree. Short of the opposing party having pix taken with hookers, Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry weren't presidential. None of the three of them looked like they could kick anybody's ass.

WHY DO YOU MORONS THINK BILLARY IS GOING TO BE FIRST ON THE TICKET?

Geesshhhh

Billary will be lucky to be in the picture once Obama gets the nomination.

Like many here, if Hillary is anywhere NEAR the ticket, I too will be voting straight Republican (no pun intended)

Reality Check

To even speculate about Obama and Clinton on the same ticket, though, means you have to consider Hillary in the top spot, b/c there's no fucking way in hell she'll ever accept the VP offer. I'd hate to see Obama in the #2 position, however.

Please consider decaf. You can't handle the strong stuff.

I kid you. Mostly I think I'm just going to vote for either the woman or the black man. I'm tired of all these white dudes. Hell, I'm tired of BEING a white dude. So I guess the the one-two combo wouldn't be so bad.

I kid you. Mostly I think I'm just going to vote for either the woman or the black man. I'm tired of all these white dudes. Hell, I'm tired of BEING a white dude. So I guess the the one-two combo wouldn't be so bad.

Bingo.

I can understand preferring another Democrat, but preferring McCain? What's the deal?

I posted this whole thing in another thread about how Clinton and Obama supporters talk a different language. But to this I will add that I agree with you about the hatred, and it was depressing me until last night, when I suddenly realized with the results out of NH that the hatred is actually galvanizing the remaining 70% of Democrats to vote for Hillary.

So hate away, haters! Talk about how if she wins you're moving to Venezuela, or Libya, or wherever. It just makes my candidate stronger.

But I'd prefer Obama/Dodd or Obama/Edwards.

Still, for electoral reasons I'd love to see him pick Sen. Barbara Boxer (CA), or for "governing experience," Gov. Napolitano (AZ).

Easy. Misogyny knows no bounds.