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<description>OK, not really, but he did TIE (that&apos;s right, TIE) with Edwards and Obama at the Drinking Liberally beer caucus at the Montlake Ale House last night, after sneaky Dodd and Obama supporters bribed and cajoled four members of Team Edwards away from our table. That meant that Edwards, who formerly had three &quot;delegates,&quot; lost one, tying with Obama and Dodd for two delegates each. (Clinton got one.) Obviously, I blame the demon liquor for the shakeup. For a detailed breakdown of the two caucus votes, check out David Goldstein&apos;s blog. Leading the charge for Sen. Dodd was DailyKos contributing...</description>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Correction, Erica ... <b>Dodd</b> 2, not <i>Biden</i>.  The Senator from MBNA didn't draw a single vote.</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887029</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:38:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by RonK, Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There's no telling how it would have turned out under Iowa rules, since we didn't proceed with Iowa bargaining.</p>

<p>Additional post hoc analysis here:<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/1/2/231613/1449/167#c167" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/1/2/231613/1449/167#c167</a></p>]]></description>
<author>RonK, Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887034</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:44:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ECB</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>1: Thanks, fixed it. </p>

<p>2: That's true, but that was the Iowa number announced at the end of the night, different bargaining rules notwithstanding.</p>]]></description>
<author>ECB</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887037</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:47:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Travis</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Anybody have any good tips on where to watch the Iowa action unfold tonight?</p>]]></description>
<author>Travis</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887040</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:48:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sigourney Beaver</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>--While Goldstein blames “personality issues” for Dodd’s “incredibly poor” showing in the national polls...</p>

<p>Translation: Aside from having zero charisma or supporters, Dodd is the ideal candidate!</p>]]></description>
<author>Sigourney Beaver</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887051</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:54:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Travis, the Edwards camp is watching at Spitfire in Belltown.  Your chance to hobnob with Jeff Smith and Paul Berendt.<br /><br />The spot for Obama fans was also mentioned last night at Montlake, but I don't recall the place (it's somewhere downtown).<br /><br />As for me, I'll be watching in an undisclosed location.</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887052</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:55:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Could someone please explain to me the point of a caucus without a 15% threshold? If I'm a Biden/Dodd/whomever supporter, what's my incentive to bail on my guy and throw my support behind someone else?</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887067</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:07:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gitai</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  At least Dodd won something.  </p>]]></description>
<author>Gitai</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887071</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:08:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Doug, your candidate still might not get enough votes to earn a delegate.  That's what happened to the backers of Richardson, Kucinich, and Gravel last night.  So we swept them all into the Dodd tsunami.<br /><br />That said, I found the 0% threshold rather disconcerting.  But take heart ... the 15% threshold will be back in operation at the county, LD, and CD caucuses.</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887073</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:11:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9: Okay, so there is a threshold. And if you have 7 delegates it's 14.3% per delegate, right? How is this much different than the 15% threshold?</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887081</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:22:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Luigi Giovanni</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The Real John Edwards</p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthensblog/2007/08/why-i-see-john-.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthensblog/2007/08/why-i-see-john-.html</a><br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Luigi Giovanni</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887091</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:29:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>@9: Okay, so there is a threshold. And if you have 7 delegates it's 14.3% per delegate, right? How is this much different than the 15% threshold?</blockquote><p>No, that's not right at all.  Clinton picked up a delegate with 9.8% of the vote (5 votes out of 51 caucusers).  The way the calculations are done in Washington is that each candidate's percentage of the total is multiplied by the number of available delegates (in our case, we chose beforehand to give our "precinct" 7 delegates).  Each candidate then gets delegates based on the integer portion of the resulting value.  After that, additional delegates are doled out in descending order of the decimal portions.<br /><br />Last night, the final vote counts and raw delegate counts were Obama 17 / 2.333, Edwards 16 / 2.196, Dodd 13 / 1.784, Clinton 5 / 0.686.  Based on integers, that's 2-2-1 for O-E-D.  There are two more delegates to be assigned.  With the largest decimal portion (.784), Dodd gets one, followed by Clinton with the second largest (.686).  At that point, we're out of available delegates, so the final distribution is 2-2-2-1, O-E-D-C.</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887127</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:53:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. So if Obama had gotten 22 votes, he'd have 3 delegates (22 / 51 x 7 = 3.02) but if he only gets 21 votes, he'd get just 2 delegates (21 / 51 x 7 = 2.88), right?</p>

<p>So that's the point where you want to convince at least one Kucinich/Biden/whomever to come over to Obama, right?</p>

<p>I guess I'll bring a calculator to my precinct caucus!</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887139</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:05:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by seattlerik</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dodd started with 6 votes (1 delegate), but picked up Kucinich votes (2), Gravel (2), and Richardson (1).<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>seattlerik</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887165</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:24:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Almost got it, Doug.  If there were still delegates available after the integer allocation, Obama's .882 decimal portion might be at or near the top of those allocations.<br /><br />I guess I didn't make it clear that Dodd and Clinton got the "decimal delegates" only because their decimal portions were higher than Edwards's and Obama's.  <i>All</i> candidates are rank-ordered for eligibility in the secondary allocation.<br /><br />Yeah, a calculator will definitely come in handy.  I plan to bring my laptop with a spreadsheet all set up to do the calculations.</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887178</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:33:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Got it. But (in this scenario) if Obama wanted to be GUARANTEED the additional delegate, he'd need the 22nd vote.</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887250</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:28:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>...or, I suppose, kill two Biden voters, since 21 / 49 x 7 = 3.</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887254</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:32:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by N in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, integers guarantee delegates.<br /><br />Killing voters wouldn't do it.  The total is still 51, based on the initial sign-in.  But you deserve credit for thinking outside the (pine) box.  :-)</p>]]></description>
<author>N in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887267</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:43:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by RonK, Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>ECB @ 3 -- Thanks for coming out!</p>

<p>When I announced the Iowa-equivalent results, it was with the announced proviso (which I believe Goldy repeated) that the corresponding Iowa-equivalent bargaining had not occurred.</p>

<p>What anybody heard over the drunken din in the den is another matter.</p>

<p>An Iowa <i>first tally</i> would have yielded 4 delegates for Edwards, 3 for Obama, with (as I also announced) over 30% of attendees left in nonviable factions ... enough to form two entire viable factions, or to thoroughly fuck up the first tally results in a number of other creative and interesting ways.</p>]]></description>
<author>RonK, Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887287</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:04:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by RonK, Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>N @ 18 -- Not exactly. In Iowa, the allocation denomimator is based on the original sign-in count.</p>

<p>In Washington, all caucus fatalities, escapees, and surviving members of nonviable factions are removed from the denominator before allocating delegates. The total count of all viable factions is used as teh allocation denominator.</p>

<p>[Note: W do not endorse anyone killing any caucus participants -- even Biden supporters.]</p>

<p>If our virtual precinct had used a 15% threshold under Washington rules (as applies at later-stage caucus proceedings), the result would have been Dodd 2, Edwards 2, Obama 3.</p>]]></description>
<author>RonK, Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887304</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:18:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by NapoleonXIV</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So does this make Chris Dodd President of Montlake?</p>]]></description>
<author>NapoleonXIV</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887357</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:09:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think Dodd will make a great VP.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/01/chris_dodd_sweeps_montlake_caucuses#c887368</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:21:21 -0800</pubDate>
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