if he wins... he's got this. He's already leading in NH and will pull the indies/goppers from mccain. South Carolina is his, 50% of the dem voters are minorities and aren't going to stop this train.
Yes! not only will my guy win the dem side, but the guy I want to win the repub side is in the lead as well. I so hope huckster wins the nom. That guy will only have the wingnuts and evans voting for him, which means an obama landslide.
Following the Dave Chappelle for president plan (from his routine) Richardson needs the VP nod. (no crazy white man will kill a black prez if the vp is latino)
I'm confused. For the past week all I've heard on NPR and read on the Internet was that the Dem race was too close to call and that it could go to any of the Edwards/Obama/Clinton triumvirate. Yet, I hear from Clinton's supporters, after the caucus has been called for Obama, that they expected her to place 3rd.
Let me off this ride, please. The spinning is making me dizzy.
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Ummmm... Richardson may "talk white" and even kinda-sorta "look white," but he is most surely a Latino. He was concieved in Mexico, in the womb in Mexico, rushed across the border and born in the States, and then raised IN MEXICO FUCKING CITY. He didn't come to the U.S. until he was 13 years old. To claim that he isn't Latino is fucking ignorant, six shooter, ignorant.
But seriously, since Obama has it in the bag this is going to help him surge in fundraising AND probably pick up a few of Hillary's endorsements if he wins NH.
If he wins NH, everyone except Obama, Edwards and Clinton will drop out. Edwards needs to make at least a strong second place showing in NH. But Hillary needs to make a strong 2nd place showing as well to have a real chance.
BUT.... I think we are going to have a black man in the White House. About fucking time!!!
Posted by
Cato the Younger Younger |
January 3, 2008 7:13 PM
What. . . what is this stirring inside me. . . is it. . . a tiny bit of glee. . . over POLITICS?! Is such a thing possible, oh cynical soul, oh jaded citizen?
Why, yes. Yes it is.
:D
Posted by
violet_dagrinder |
January 3, 2008 7:14 PM
I'm overjoyed that Clinton lost and part of me that likes seeing a certain aspect of the status-quo challenged likes that Obama won but I'm very bummed that Edwards didn't get 1st. Edwards is the most progressive of the big-3 and a second place finish for him is likely to hurt him in the long run...
Goodbye two thousand and seven. Hello two thousand and awesome!
I saw some girl wearing a "Edwards is a hottie" t-shirt during the last election. I think it's time for me to make a "Obama is a smartie" t-shirt. Thinking people rule.
I'm pro Obama, I'm con Hillary bashing and I'm sad for Edwards. We have great candidates this time around. I'm glad my guy is winning but I'll cry tears of joy if Hill or Edwards gets in the White House.
Only 1 of the Big 3 have actually committed to ending the Iraq War: http://www.truthout.org/Election2008.shtml The other two are neocon shills, with Hillary being the most up front. Unless the true anti-war candidate is chosen to head the Dems, our problems are not going away after the next election. Everybody’s chatter about supporting whomever wins the Dem nomination is idiotic.
think of the primary. think of swing votes. think of 'sales'. think of disgruntled southerners/conservatives/republicans who might vote democrat. obama would be a hard sale.
a lot of people like huckabee. and with all the conservatives and southerners... (let's not forget their voting power in '04) obama would not have a chance against huckabee if they both made the primary.
Edwards is only taking that position because he knows he was wrong, wrong, wrong when he made the call originally and *co-sponsored* the resolution to invade in the first place.
I would agree with you except that I think Senator Obama inspires something truly new in the electorate. Look at the number of young people voting in the demo. caucuses in Iowa. I think there are young black and white voters in the South that will appear for the first time should Senator Obama prevail in the primaries.
I also think that Governor Huckabee has some explaining to do about his views on evolution and homophobia that will turn young voters away.
As cynical as I've become, I may be ready to set it aside and vote for Barry!
Ick, Obama's health plan sucks (not relative to what we have now, I mean, relative to other plans proposed by dems. Hopefully Edwards or Clinton can catch up in NH. Sorry, but Obama just leaves me with a damn bad feeling. He slips too easily into using right wing attacks against his democratic rivals, and I just don't see him having the force of personality to carry the presidency.
That said, I'd say I'm for Clinton. Mostly, I'm for her cause I don't think Edwards can make it in the debates, especially against somebody polished like Romney, or Huckabee on a (really) good night. He tends to pick at issues, even when they fail to make any impact. (Cheney's daughter during the VP debates comes to mind)
Clinton, I think has the force of personality and the experience, even if only secondhand, to really push through an agenda. Even if we don't get all the necessary seats in congress.
But boy, it sure would be a damn fine thing to see Gore step in at the convention.
@38, yeah the repugs have a good/great southern strategy and will use it skillfully and vilely if Obama is the nominee. But the problem for them is they have no northern/western strategy. This was pointed out tonight on NPR by former Iowa Rep Jim Leach (R), who felt that his party might carry the south and no place else unless they come to their senses. Let's hope they don't.
The dems should just write off the south (with the possible exception of FL) and focus on trouncing in the north and west.
Please forgive me for taking a certain amount of satisfaction from reading the following sentence on the NY Times home page:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and former Gov. Mitt Romney were brought low in Iowa on Thursday.
For one thing, please forgive me for lumping Hillary in with Romney. I wish I could recount it, but my mom has a pretty compelling argument why Romney could be the Antichrist.
No. Don't write off the South.
Be for unifying themes.
D's can win Fla. and also Va., Mo., Ark., and La. The republican vile strategy (I guess that's our euphemism for race baiting) will emerge but must be exposed and turned back against them.
Make R's fight in every region.
The suggestion that somehow Obama can't win the general is absurd. At my precinct tonight there were 454 people. 159 of them were independents, republicans and new voters who were attending a dem caucus for the first time. Obama won the overwhelming majority of them, every single one of whom stuck around for an hour an a half because if we could just get a few second choice voters we could get Obama four delegates to the state convention instead of three.
I just hope the rest of you are not so f*cking stupid that you blow what Iowa served up to you tonight. The possibility of changing the course of this country in a more progressive way than any of us have seen in our lifetime. If you don't understand what I'm talking about watch Obama's victory speech at http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ If you still don't understand after watching this stop smoking so much pot.
I can totally live with President Obama. No problem. The fact that he did better than expected in Iowa tells me two things: (1) he campaigned better than the others and did a better job getting out the vote, particularly the fickle younger voters, and (2) race didn't play as much of a factor as I feared in a 95% white, largely rural state. I find both of those factors encouraging.
Fuckabee winning is both hilarious and terrifying. Hilarious because he's such a wingbat. He'd carry the wingbat vote in the general election, but that couldn't possibly carry him to a win overall. He'd all but hand the election to the Dem candidate. But terrifying to think what would happen if the democratic candidate completely self-destructed and lost to him. *shudder*
Posted by
Reverse Polarity (formerly SDA in SEA) |
January 3, 2008 10:20 PM
* I listened to the returns as I took down my Christmas tree. It was an end, and it was a beginning.
* I was ecstatic when I heard that Huck had won by such a significant margin. If Huck's the R nom, we could run Foghorn Leghorn/Squeaky Fromme and win one for the Ds. The religious right is going to sleep for a couple years now.
* But they'll wake up.
* I was impressed by Clinton's speech for the fact that one wants a leader who really wants to lead. She sounded like she wanted to do a great job for America.
* My friend and I were pulling up to dinner at Monsoon when Obama's speech came on. Honest to god, beyond a snippet here and there, I'd never listened to the man speak...
...A memory...
I am walking up Castro Street, San Francisco, in the presidential race of 1988. It is evening, and the Democratic Convention is playing on the TV in nearly every bar. Most of the bars have large windows, open to the street, and many of us gather to watch Jesse Jackson give his speech. I will never forget hearing him say, "gays and lesbians" as he spoke a list of who the party stood for. I will also never forget that I shed a few tears, and felt good about politics, and good about where we may have been going as a country.
* Tonight, after Obama's speech was complete, after my friend and I heard the shrieks -- there's no other word -- of joy and excitement from the crowd, we looked at each other and though we didn't say a word, I'm pretty sure what happened was we agreed that we could vote for this man, and would do so happily if he were the nominee.
* Whether or not we can feel good about where we're going as a country? That remains to be seen.
Posted by
Jubilation T. Cornball |
January 3, 2008 10:39 PM
Obama has the same charisma as JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK. Another decade like the 60's would do this nation in. Am I the only one worried how far the evildoers will go to stop Obama?
@51 -- Honest to god, with both Hillary and Barack, when I watch them on TV, wading in a crowd, every moment seems like the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles, "and now it's on to Chicago, and let's win there."
Chilling. I'm praying it doesn't happen.
Posted by
Jubilation T. Cornball |
January 3, 2008 10:46 PM
...think of disgruntled southerners/conservatives/republicans who might vote democrat...
Those people have been lost to us for decades. Even if the nominee were a southern white man, they wouldn't vote Democrat. We're the nigger lovers, the fag lovers, the women lovers. Fuck them. If Obama can win over the moderates (and Iowa seems to show that we can), then we don't need those assholes.
Chilling. I'm praying it doesn't happen.
Let's just make sure that Obama never walks through any hotel kitchens.
Black man beats the white man
Hell Fucking Yeah!
"Paint the White House black ..."
I think I might faint from relief that Hillary lost.
Go Barack!
yahoo!!!!!!! w00t!
if he wins... he's got this. He's already leading in NH and will pull the indies/goppers from mccain. South Carolina is his, 50% of the dem voters are minorities and aren't going to stop this train.
wooohoo!
Yes! not only will my guy win the dem side, but the guy I want to win the repub side is in the lead as well. I so hope huckster wins the nom. That guy will only have the wingnuts and evans voting for him, which means an obama landslide.
Following the Dave Chappelle for president plan (from his routine) Richardson needs the VP nod. (no crazy white man will kill a black prez if the vp is latino)
ABC News reports the same, although why they have to cut into Grey's to do so is beyond me.
In other news, the Republican base is 100% pure batshit.
anyone but fucking hillary. ANYONE.
Ryan @4 - The Hillary 3 place does not really matter b/c;
1) She was always expected to take 3rd (maybe 2nd if lucky)
2) It was so close that it is actually fine for Hillary.
John Edwards is probabaly most hurt by this since he spent 1 year and a lot of resources. He bet a lot on Iowa.
Time will tell.
According to CNN, amongst younger caucusgoers, Clinton had less support than RICHARDSON. Yikes. Not good for her.
Richardson is as Latino as Clinton is a New Yorker.
@ 11 - As far as I can tell, there are NO latino's in Iowa.
@12
Ok, but I'm thinking that the same people who believe that Obama is Muslim will have no trouble believing that Richardson was born in Mexico.
Mrs. Y:
I'm confused. For the past week all I've heard on NPR and read on the Internet was that the Dem race was too close to call and that it could go to any of the Edwards/Obama/Clinton triumvirate. Yet, I hear from Clinton's supporters, after the caucus has been called for Obama, that they expected her to place 3rd.
Let me off this ride, please. The spinning is making me dizzy.
@ 13,
Not true at all. Where do you think all of those migrant farm workers come from?
The town of West Liberty is very latino.
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Hay latinos en todas partes......y Richardson si es latino, dumbfuck.
Que, si matriculas de la U. Tufts, no eres latino?
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@12:
Ummmm... Richardson may "talk white" and even kinda-sorta "look white," but he is most surely a Latino. He was concieved in Mexico, in the womb in Mexico, rushed across the border and born in the States, and then raised IN MEXICO FUCKING CITY. He didn't come to the U.S. until he was 13 years old. To claim that he isn't Latino is fucking ignorant, six shooter, ignorant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson
Repeat after me, IMAdrgQ: President Obama. President Obama. President Obama ...
Thank God a MAN won! Being president is a man's job and the oval office is no place for a woman unless they are on their knees.
But seriously, since Obama has it in the bag this is going to help him surge in fundraising AND probably pick up a few of Hillary's endorsements if he wins NH.
If he wins NH, everyone except Obama, Edwards and Clinton will drop out. Edwards needs to make at least a strong second place showing in NH. But Hillary needs to make a strong 2nd place showing as well to have a real chance.
BUT.... I think we are going to have a black man in the White House. About fucking time!!!
What. . . what is this stirring inside me. . . is it. . . a tiny bit of glee. . . over POLITICS?! Is such a thing possible, oh cynical soul, oh jaded citizen?
Why, yes. Yes it is.
:D
This whole event is making me feel rather weepy. Yay for The Process! (Emotional manipulation provided by: CNN)
Damn, Congrats Will in Seattle! I know you are so stoked.
It's all good though, Hillary is still going to great, and I have hope that she can still win the nomination.
I know that is hard to hear TSM, but I think it's more likely.
Either way, I'll support whoever gets it for the Dems.
I'm overjoyed that Clinton lost and part of me that likes seeing a certain aspect of the status-quo challenged likes that Obama won but I'm very bummed that Edwards didn't get 1st. Edwards is the most progressive of the big-3 and a second place finish for him is likely to hurt him in the long run...
Goodbye two thousand and seven. Hello two thousand and awesome!
I saw some girl wearing a "Edwards is a hottie" t-shirt during the last election. I think it's time for me to make a "Obama is a smartie" t-shirt. Thinking people rule.
I'm pro Obama, I'm con Hillary bashing and I'm sad for Edwards. We have great candidates this time around. I'm glad my guy is winning but I'll cry tears of joy if Hill or Edwards gets in the White House.
postergirl, you rock. Any of these three would make a fine President.
Yes, yes, yes, we know. Of course we'd all support whomever the nominee is (well, most of us anyway), blah blah blah. That's a given.
Postergirl: agreed!
@29- That's well said, and me too.
Only 1 of the Big 3 have actually committed to ending the Iraq War: http://www.truthout.org/Election2008.shtml The other two are neocon shills, with Hillary being the most up front. Unless the true anti-war candidate is chosen to head the Dems, our problems are not going away after the next election. Everybody’s chatter about supporting whomever wins the Dem nomination is idiotic.
hip-hip HORRAY!! No clinton!!! this means I dont have to vote bloomberg
here's a better one #1
"black man beats white women"
This link better explains the Democratic Frontrunners views on what
to do about the Iraq war.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010308D.shtml
barrack's win worries me.
think of the primary. think of swing votes. think of 'sales'. think of disgruntled southerners/conservatives/republicans who might vote democrat. obama would be a hard sale.
a lot of people like huckabee. and with all the conservatives and southerners... (let's not forget their voting power in '04) obama would not have a chance against huckabee if they both made the primary.
@37:
Edwards is only taking that position because he knows he was wrong, wrong, wrong when he made the call originally and *co-sponsored* the resolution to invade in the first place.
Original speeches linked here:
http://asteele.net/post/22878174
O-BAM-A! O-BAM-A!
ray ray:
I would agree with you except that I think Senator Obama inspires something truly new in the electorate. Look at the number of young people voting in the demo. caucuses in Iowa. I think there are young black and white voters in the South that will appear for the first time should Senator Obama prevail in the primaries.
I also think that Governor Huckabee has some explaining to do about his views on evolution and homophobia that will turn young voters away.
As cynical as I've become, I may be ready to set it aside and vote for Barry!
Ick, Obama's health plan sucks (not relative to what we have now, I mean, relative to other plans proposed by dems. Hopefully Edwards or Clinton can catch up in NH. Sorry, but Obama just leaves me with a damn bad feeling. He slips too easily into using right wing attacks against his democratic rivals, and I just don't see him having the force of personality to carry the presidency.
That said, I'd say I'm for Clinton. Mostly, I'm for her cause I don't think Edwards can make it in the debates, especially against somebody polished like Romney, or Huckabee on a (really) good night. He tends to pick at issues, even when they fail to make any impact. (Cheney's daughter during the VP debates comes to mind)
Clinton, I think has the force of personality and the experience, even if only secondhand, to really push through an agenda. Even if we don't get all the necessary seats in congress.
But boy, it sure would be a damn fine thing to see Gore step in at the convention.
@38, yeah the repugs have a good/great southern strategy and will use it skillfully and vilely if Obama is the nominee. But the problem for them is they have no northern/western strategy. This was pointed out tonight on NPR by former Iowa Rep Jim Leach (R), who felt that his party might carry the south and no place else unless they come to their senses. Let's hope they don't.
The dems should just write off the south (with the possible exception of FL) and focus on trouncing in the north and west.
Please forgive me for taking a certain amount of satisfaction from reading the following sentence on the NY Times home page:
For one thing, please forgive me for lumping Hillary in with Romney. I wish I could recount it, but my mom has a pretty compelling argument why Romney could be the Antichrist.
Senator Barack Obama has made history tonight!... http://enewsreference.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/senator-barack-obama/
No. Don't write off the South.
Be for unifying themes.
D's can win Fla. and also Va., Mo., Ark., and La. The republican vile strategy (I guess that's our euphemism for race baiting) will emerge but must be exposed and turned back against them.
Make R's fight in every region.
The suggestion that somehow Obama can't win the general is absurd. At my precinct tonight there were 454 people. 159 of them were independents, republicans and new voters who were attending a dem caucus for the first time. Obama won the overwhelming majority of them, every single one of whom stuck around for an hour an a half because if we could just get a few second choice voters we could get Obama four delegates to the state convention instead of three.
I just hope the rest of you are not so f*cking stupid that you blow what Iowa served up to you tonight. The possibility of changing the course of this country in a more progressive way than any of us have seen in our lifetime. If you don't understand what I'm talking about watch Obama's victory speech at http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ If you still don't understand after watching this stop smoking so much pot.
I can totally live with President Obama. No problem. The fact that he did better than expected in Iowa tells me two things: (1) he campaigned better than the others and did a better job getting out the vote, particularly the fickle younger voters, and (2) race didn't play as much of a factor as I feared in a 95% white, largely rural state. I find both of those factors encouraging.
Fuckabee winning is both hilarious and terrifying. Hilarious because he's such a wingbat. He'd carry the wingbat vote in the general election, but that couldn't possibly carry him to a win overall. He'd all but hand the election to the Dem candidate. But terrifying to think what would happen if the democratic candidate completely self-destructed and lost to him. *shudder*
Thanks, Original Monique @26. But, just remember, twice as many people voted for Sen Clinton as voted for Gov Huckabee.
It's going to be a bloody year for the Republicants, as they're hunted down and removed from power en masse.
A couple thoughts about tonight:
* I listened to the returns as I took down my Christmas tree. It was an end, and it was a beginning.
* I was ecstatic when I heard that Huck had won by such a significant margin. If Huck's the R nom, we could run Foghorn Leghorn/Squeaky Fromme and win one for the Ds. The religious right is going to sleep for a couple years now.
* But they'll wake up.
* I was impressed by Clinton's speech for the fact that one wants a leader who really wants to lead. She sounded like she wanted to do a great job for America.
* My friend and I were pulling up to dinner at Monsoon when Obama's speech came on. Honest to god, beyond a snippet here and there, I'd never listened to the man speak...
...A memory...
I am walking up Castro Street, San Francisco, in the presidential race of 1988. It is evening, and the Democratic Convention is playing on the TV in nearly every bar. Most of the bars have large windows, open to the street, and many of us gather to watch Jesse Jackson give his speech. I will never forget hearing him say, "gays and lesbians" as he spoke a list of who the party stood for. I will also never forget that I shed a few tears, and felt good about politics, and good about where we may have been going as a country.
* Tonight, after Obama's speech was complete, after my friend and I heard the shrieks -- there's no other word -- of joy and excitement from the crowd, we looked at each other and though we didn't say a word, I'm pretty sure what happened was we agreed that we could vote for this man, and would do so happily if he were the nominee.
* Whether or not we can feel good about where we're going as a country? That remains to be seen.
Obama has the same charisma as JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK. Another decade like the 60's would do this nation in. Am I the only one worried how far the evildoers will go to stop Obama?
@51 -- Honest to god, with both Hillary and Barack, when I watch them on TV, wading in a crowd, every moment seems like the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles, "and now it's on to Chicago, and let's win there."
Chilling. I'm praying it doesn't happen.
Those people have been lost to us for decades. Even if the nominee were a southern white man, they wouldn't vote Democrat. We're the nigger lovers, the fag lovers, the women lovers. Fuck them. If Obama can win over the moderates (and Iowa seems to show that we can), then we don't need those assholes.
Let's just make sure that Obama never walks through any hotel kitchens.
I can't help but think the Dems might stand a shot in the south with an Obama/Edwards ticket, actually.
Naw, despite being a southerner, Edwards doesn't actually do that well in the south. I still think a much better fit is Obama/Richardson.
Richardson gives him huge foreign policy cred, plus an ex-governor, plus southwestern/latino draw.
Unless Richardson does something stupid like endorse Clinton.
fuck barack sand nigger obama... this monkey will never get elected..
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