Comments on Archery and Ungulates

damn, Dom. Now I really am hungry.

Yup, deer, killed by a hunter, is much better than beef, pork or chicken, killed in a slaughterhouse.

To be a priss, it's not "rodent," but "ungulate."

i love gamey meat. Lamb, venison... so much more interesting than plain old beef which basically just tastes like fat

Eating wild deer seems more humane—at least they run free before being gunned down. However, I’d never eaten venison, let alone prepared it. But then Mary told me how her family actually hunts the deer: with a bow and arrow. Send it over.

Ever ask Mary why she is a vegetarian?

The first sentence I won't argue with. ("nature, red in tooth and claw," and all that) But I think you have been watching to many Rambo movies. Granted, for any given deer, the odds a being killed by a bowhunter are probably much less than by one using a modern rifle because of the difficulty of bow hunting, but the fact that you were going to eat it means this deer did not escape. While a skilled bowhunter can, on a good day, kill a deer pretty quickly, even a highly skilled hunter can have a bad day, and it can take hours or days for a deer to die. Being the forgiving sort, I won't wish being shot with an arrow on you, but being torn apart by pit bulls shouldn't take more than 10 or 15 minutes

Oops, missed this: "Bambi tasted like free-range Jesus" Um, I don't believe I've ever heard that phrase before. But Jeffery, wasn't the fictional (you hope) Jesus supposed to be a man? this seems a little strange even for the Stranger. Never mind about that pit bull thing, since you are going to Hell anyway (where the pit bulls aren't so quick about their work), I hope you live to a ripe old age and die peacefully in your sleep.

Damn, Domenic, we'll make a hunter out of you yet. Being out there in the woods, sometimes for days on end, just you and the deer, and even using a rifle, where the deer really does have all the advantages, somehow makes the meat taste even better. And Dom, if you thought the venison tasted better than beef, elk tastes that much better than deer. Thanks for sharing.

I need to know whether it's oven braising or done on the stove-top, and the time, Dominic. Now.

I love the folded-paper-towel napkin. And it may be a trick of the photo's lighting, but did you serve your mother supper using mismatched wax-finish paper plates?

I love it. Is this an aesthetic response to your father's international-travel fine-dining blog?

@6 - Doing both is best:

Preheat oven to 400, heat up cast iron frying pan on the stove-top. put a little olive oil in the pan and braise the meat on both sides (for a flat piece) or all around for a roast; about 4 minutes per side. Once the outside is all cooked, put the pan into the oven to cook the whole thing through, 7-10 minutes should work.

Blech!

@5:

I always figured game meat tasted better, because well, it IS better: leaner, more dense, higher protein muscle tissue.

Plus, on the rare occasions these days when I get my hands on deer or venison, I find I simply can't consume it in large quantities. A six-ounce portion is usually more than enough for me, I suppose because it is so protein-rich.

And damn, Dominic, nice accompaniments. Sounds like it was a terrific meal!

I just finished reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan. In it he hunts a wild boar in Sonoma county, which has the added benefit that it is not indigenous wildlife, but an invasive species; a pest animal.

Deer are now also considered pest animals, but that is in the context of a couple of centuries of "wildlife management." Killing predators and harvesting bucks to maximize the deer harvest.

Grew up in the woods eating lots of game.

Venison = cook with fruit, dates, rasins, prunes = slow = moist = onion = salt and pepper

Elk the same.

Older game need marinate, some bacon bits sprinkled around will help tame the flavor.

Give bear to the dogs.

Antelope is THE finest, next to young wild goat.

Remember deer are plentiful, not at all endangered and must be harvested to avoid over population.

Best slog post ever. I only wish the description of the braising could go on as long as the braising did.

Australian, eh? Are you named after the car?

Not to mention the fact that in certain of the San Juan islands, all you need is a bag of bread to catch one.

Answers to questions: The plates were mismatched, but they were ceramic, not paper. I braised the meat for about an hour, entirely on the stove but would have used the oven if I had a huge cast-iron pan.

Thanks, Fnarf. The name's not after the car. It’s an Americanization of the German Hochfeld, meaning high field. The paternal grandparents changed it to Holden after escaping the Holocaust by the skin of their teeth.

A couple of comments.

Elk is awesome. Wild pig is excellent.

Deer fat is nasty, and should be removed when the animal is butchered. If you're making sausage, adding pork fat is recommended.

To elaborate further, jamon: adding pork fat is recommended no matter WHAT you're doing. Pork fat is the elixir of the gods -- incredible texture, meltability, flavor....

I join @16 in commending elk meat. My friend's niece married an eastern Oregon cowboy who goes deer hunting and then turns the whole family onto steaks. My friend claims they're lower in bad things (well, except karma) than buffalo.

Umm, I meant elk hunting, 'course.