Comments on Candy Canes for Jesus
Everyone knows that candy canes remind people of Moses.
Or was it Mohammed.
Well, it was one of those guys ...
Agreed that this is a stupid decision--for one thing, no reason to needlessly give these War on Christmas folks useful fodder on an issue that isn't in any way a state establishment of religion or whatnot!
One detail--the kid's dad did not write that little thing unless he's more powerful than I'd tend to give him credit for--it was all around my high school in Ohio almost ten years ago. Of course, back then they were giving the candy away for free. ;)
The previous Sara is quite correct. The weird religious attribution of the candy cane has been around for ages- I recall being incredibly disturbed and intrigued when reading it ten to fifteen years ago during junior high or high school. The particularly detailed account I read not only said that the red stripes were meant to represent the blood of Christ, but that the exact number of stripes was meant to correspond to the number of wounds he received from soldier's lances while on the cross. Later, I would read an account of the eating of the ortolan on this very slog and find the same feelings of confusion, revulsion and insidious curiosity.
Of course, all of this Jesus-candy business is horse shit.
josh, you are the wonkiest wonk in wonkdom. why is that so hot?
Yeah, this candy cane = Jesus' suffering bit is something I recall from my youth in Indiana. And that was, like, 20 years ago. Oh, and dogwood trees represent Jesus somehow, too. I forget the story behind that one.
"The explanatory note was conceived and written by the boy’s dad."
...so um, if the kid didn't write them, *whose* first amendment rights were violated here? You following me on this?
Dads shouldn't talk through their kids' mouths.
Don't like this court decision. The kid should be able to proselytize his religion, and the other kids should be able to call him a brainwashed goon. Everybody's free speech rights are protected.
Have you suddenly found Jesus or something? Sorry, dude, but I really don't think Jesus - or any other bullshit religion, belongs in schools. How would you feel if the kid was out there proselytizing for Scientology? According to your logic, he should have a right to do that too.
I have heard that before as the explaination of the candy cane. That is why I do not eat them.
Hard Candy is a prison euphamism for being murdered.
"We're gonna give that vato some hard candy".
Who wants a candy cane?
Is that a Juggalo Mansion?
I always thought the candy cane was a nod to the symbolism of the barber pole...
...which you might not want to read before breakfast.
@8 - Sure, if the kid wanted to proselytizing for Scientology, he should have the right to do that. And all the other kids should have the right to call him crazy for it. Seriously, dude, there shouldn't be anything wrong with simply expressing either religious preference or lack thereof, so long as no one is actually harmed.
@8: There is a tangible, important difference between the promotion of a religion by a student and the promotion of religion by officials like teachers or administrators. Please make sure you understand this difference before you get involved in the discussion.
@14, my apologies - I'm only a dumbass lawyer who's obviously incapable of comprehending subtle distinctions like that. Having said that, I still don't think that ANY religion has ANY place in a public school, regardless of who's doing it. And it would appear that the Supremes see it that way as well.
Don't forget that in the recent "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case, the Supreme Court majority cited the general pedogogical opposition to drug use in ruling against the student. But, IIRC, Justice Alito (!) voiced concerns that that was too vague a standard, and could be used to suppress legitimate protected speech.
@15: Really? You honestly believe that? You believe that a student shouldn't be able to hold and express their own religious opinion while at school? That mindset will only serve to martyr religious students and make them cling that much harder to their ideology. Yes, a student should be able to proselytize for Scientology, or Satanism, or the fucking Flying Spaghetti Monster. And a student should be able to hand out candy canes with an inane Jesus-related explanation on them. Not a teacher, a student. Denying that student the right to use Jesus candy canes in the scope of a project would be the same as denying the GSA at Mount Si the right to hang their Day of Silence posters. It's the same small-mindedness and oppression of an idea that you don't like simply because you don't like it. I know a lot of lawyers - thankfully they all understand that the law must be applied equally, for everyone, and not just for the causes we champion.
@15. hmmm... the supremes saw it as disruptive to the lesson, not as religion, mr or ms lawyer.
or do you really think there should be absolutely NO mention of religion in schools at all? can't talk to your friends about it? can't make fun of it? no cross necklaces? no taking the lord's name in vain?
His religion is suger coated BS. That's exactly what he's handing out to people who probably should not be eating candy if they don't want cavities. The school nutritionist should be screaming more than anyone else. What's next COKE CANS FOR JESUS? :p
Remember, the Great Spaghetti Monster didn't die for your sins, and He invented the Candy Cane to memorialize that non-decision of his.
The red is for pirates, the white for the bones of pirate fish, and the mint reminds us that we will never look like him, even with extensive plastic surgery.
If the kid had been forcing his classmates to read the note, I could understand this decision.
BUT he wasn't even distributing them to everyone - he was selling them. The kids had the right to not buy his candy canes at all, and those that did choose to buy one had the right to ignore the note entirely.
I've done that before. Only we used the "history of candy canes" to talk about it...they were originally used to keep kids quiet in a living nativity play.
I can't understand what kind of crappy Christian sells their candy canes, though. That's like the Gideons taking tips when they pass out bibles.
@15: RTFM, bitch.
Mmmm, these candy canes are Sacrelicious...
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