Comments on ACLU Defends Larry Craig

That's something that always bothered me about that story as well.

Whoa!

His re-election chances were already close to zero--how much more can an implicit ACLU endorsement cost him with an Idaho electorate?

I'm sure that even if he doesn't run again, he's going to want to select his successor. How can one run fast enough from Larry Craig?

It would be hard to run away from Larry Craig.

It is also great that a conservative is being defended by the ACLU.

I love the ACLU.

Now just stop it, Poe.

Where do you draw the line? The Crypt-Keeper?

I was having so much fun gleefully laughing at the karma of Larry Craig's hypocrisy that I tended to ignore the constitutional issues.

But the ACLU has it right, as usual. You can make a legitimate argument that engaging in sex or prostitution in a public restroom should be illegal (we might not all agree with that, but it is a fair argument). But all hypocrisy aside, Larry Craig did neither. He merely propositioned someone. He flirted. It is only speculation to assume that anything further might have happened.

So the ACLU gets major points for defending our right to flirt, while at the same time continuing to make Larry Craig look like a complete tool. Yay!

And that, my friends, is why the ACLU is such a kickass org. Go ACLU!

I was joking, Napoleon! Come on, dude is fat and ugly.

i'm glad the ACLU is on this. they mean business. there are many libertarian ideas i like, and they seem to be the ones championed by them.

it wasn't private sex that he was soliciting. it was public sex. I'm ok with the state attempting to stop people from having sex in public restrooms.

@ 10 So you must be peering into people's stalls to make this a public act.
This ACLU stand will not get much public support since a lot of people have repressed potty/pee shy issues and therefore the end justifies the means.

the charges alleged that he looked into a “place where a reasonable person would have an expectation of privacy” —then didn’t the cops violate Craig’s privacy?

I'd say no. Craig looked into the cop's stall first. He initiated the violation of another person's privacy and on those grounds alone, he deserved to be prosecuted. If a man entered a women's restroom and peered into the stalls, do you really think he should be defended?

Wasn't there a ruling in the U.K. a few years back that "cottaging" is not illegal because the participants can expect privacy in the stall?

This has bothered me about the Craig story from the start. While I think it's probably pretty reasonable to assume he wanted to have sex in the stall, busting him just for making the proposition is bullshit. If the guy weren't such a stupid homophobic douche, he'd have been smart enough to hire a lawyer to say that in the first place instead of pleading guilty.

@ 10: 14 has it right. Craig didn't engage in public sex. He almost certainly would have, but he didn't.

This whole sting thing is a scam because by nature someone that is cruising bathrooms won't fight the charge because they are so fucking terrified of anyone finding out, they can't plead guilty fast enough.

Expecting privacy in a public restroom stall is debatable, but busting him for trying (as opposed to geting caught with a big hard cock in his mouth) is bullshit.