Slog - Comments on What About Edwards? http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards Jenny Durkan, the head of the John Edwards campaign here in Washington, has been on my case to stop suggesting it's just a two-way race in Iowa (and around the country) between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Which means she's going to have some issues with my new Obama feature in this week's Stranger. But today Durkan hit my in-box with a CNN poll that's worth considering. The headline for the poll is that it found Republican Mike Huckabee going down to double-digit defeat nationally against all three of the top Democratic contenders. But the headline Durkan wishes you could... Copyright 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:55:54 -0800 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:13:22 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Packratt I've always liked Edwards, voted for him last time around.

Of course... I'm always rooting for underdogs.

]]> Packratt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871415 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871415 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:07:19 -0800 Comment by matthew fisher wilder Why should Dems trust GOP word on Dem strategies?

]]> matthew fisher wilder http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871427 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871427 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:25 -0800 Comment by matthew fisher wilder (ok, i just wanted to say "dem strategies")

]]> matthew fisher wilder http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871428 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871428 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:15:10 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Ever since the Durkans sold out our state, why should we care what they think?

Seriously.

Dems have a long memory.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871442 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871442 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:23:45 -0800 Comment by elenchos Isn't the elephant in the room Gore's recent remarks? He's going to run; I can tell by the special way he says he has no plans to run. And scoffs at a cabinet post. It's the big chair or nothing.

Knowing Gore is about jump in is a great comfort to me.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871443 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871443 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:24:10 -0800 Comment by thaumaturgistguy Edwards is who I'm caucusing for. Hey how about another Stranger Presidential Candidate poll?

]]> thaumaturgistguy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871470 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871470 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:37:12 -0800 Comment by Dianna I've been saying this all along and no one believes me. But it's pretty obvious if you look at the MSM--it's unbelievably anti-Edwards. Given that much of the MSM is owned by Republican corporations, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who they're actually afraid of. It's also clear that they're foaming at the mouths for HRC to win-she's the most beatable, and even if she wins, hey, she'll love corporations just like her husband.

]]> Dianna http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871477 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871477 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:42:05 -0800 Comment by Levislade I'll keep saying it . . . please stop fucking worrying about whether the Rs or the corporations or who the fuck ever want this person or that person to be the nominee. Look at the issues, look at the candidates, and pick the one that you fucking want to be the goddamned nominee.

Jesus.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871490 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871490 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:44:53 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle The one? This is a caucus state. You need to have a backup choice too.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871500 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871500 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:48:26 -0800 Comment by Teve Great. Now that we know he can win ... let's hear why we should trust him considering he's been flat wrong about nearly every major issue he's voted on.

]]> Teve http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871509 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871509 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:50:46 -0800 Comment by PJ @8: That fact is that in a democracy you don't just vote FOR a candidate, you vote AGAINST a another candidate. It's perfectly reasonable to think about which Democrat can win. For many people--myself included--this is the main issue. My impression of all the major Democratic candidates is generally favorable, though I hope Hilary gets the nomination mostly because I think she has the best chance of winning. I suspect most people reading this agree that if Giuliani or Huckabee were elected president it would be a absolute disaster for the future of our democracy. I'd almost rather Bush get another four years than any of these guys.

]]> PJ http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871518 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871518 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:54:44 -0800 Comment by Kiru Banzai White Man for President 2008, And Every Year.

]]> Kiru Banzai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871539 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871539 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:13:58 -0800 Comment by Levislade @11 - my point is that it's this kind of hemming and hawing and worrying about electability that got us John Motherfucking Kerry. If we can run a candidate that the majority of Dems actually believe in, rather than someone we think other people will be more likely to vote for, then that person will have a much better chance of winning.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871548 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871548 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:20:39 -0800 Comment by duncan I like Edwards, and he's the one I am supporting. What I don't like, however, is when he plays this "I'm the most electable" card, because it is not about the issues. It reeks of "America isn't ready for a woman or a black man, so that's why you should vote for me."

(how do you spell reeks?)

]]> duncan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871556 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871556 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:23:20 -0800 Comment by Levislade @14 - I agree. I like him the most on the issues, and I wish his people wouldn't push this electable crap on us.

And it's "wreaks."

Just kidding, you had it right.

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871600 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871600 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:52:40 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle True, the "most electable" stuff no longer appeals to most Dems.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871602 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871602 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:54:35 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV If it stinks, it "reeks".

If you're talking about hurling punshiment or vengeance upon someone, it's "wreaks".

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871617 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871617 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:06:56 -0800 Comment by Jim Demetre He's the real Democrat in the race. Our endorsement:

http://www.artdish.com/ubbcgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=39&t=000316

]]> Jim Demetre http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871648 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871648 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:35:38 -0800 Comment by Chas There's a solid, pragmatic reason not to vote for John Edwards: He was falling so far behind that he was forced to accept public financing. This severely limits the amount of cash he can legally spend in the general election, and it's a certainty that that amount will be far less than what the GOP candidate will spend. He boxed himself into a corner with that decision (though he didn't have much choice, either).

]]> Chas http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871721 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871721 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:36 -0800 Comment by RainMan I could toss a coin regarding Edwards and Obama--it generally depends on who I last listened to. And electability does matter, but sometimes judgments can be wrong. In 2004 I was caught between Dean and Kerry. Ultimately I chose Kerry because I thought his intellectual style would make Bush look like a member of the cast of Hee Haw in the debates. Unfortunately Kerry was, among other things, too much of a gentleman to fight back Karl Rove and the Swift Boaters. Dean would have pounced on those bozos like a pit bull. Whether he would have won the general is a matter of speculation, but the point is first instincts about the general during primary/caucus season can be mistaken.

I'm glad Obama is presenting a real challenge to Hillary. I would be delighted to see either in the White House, but at least it's no longer a foregone conclusion that she will be the Democratic nominee. Maybe the people will triumph over the media after all.

]]> RainMan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871732 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871732 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:20:38 -0800 Comment by unPC Polls are tricky but relying on ONE poll is stupid.
E lost before. He didn't help Kerry fight back, although that's the traditional role of VP candidate.

Obama....we'll see. Can he win Missouri and Arkansas and Ohio when he is blasted for being a coke sniffing, gun hating, illegal alien loving, "urban" HARVARD YARD liberal?
He won't look so electable then.

Right now all us liberals are in a dream state, ignoring his negatives.

Hillary has more of a record of fighting and winning against the right wing smear machine, as yes, she was part of a strategic team with Bill for the last 30 years or so. No she was not just a wifey.

Anyway, who you like doesn't mean beans if you don't go out to your own neighborhood Democratic caucus on 2/9/07.

So if you have to work, you are sick, you are too enraptured with Slog, or you just didn't bother to find out where the hell this meeting is going to me held ...
why, your your views won't count.

]]> unPC http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871767 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871767 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:28:19 -0800 Comment by herbert browne @4, Amen to that... the Bull-market Democrats will sell their mothers to their worst enemies, if there's $$ in it...
It's interesting that, based on the way they've voted &/or campaigned over the years, Kucinich is the guy who's right on the issues, more than any of the other candidates (to my mind)- but he's too short, &/or got the wrong hair, or something... but he IS a white guy. So, if it were about "only a white guy has a chance", then it'd have to be him, for my money... (Of course if it were about "only a CUTE white guy" then Edwards, I guess...) ^..^

]]> herbert browne http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871869 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/what_about_edwards#c871869 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:13:22 -0800