Slog - Comments on Seattle Police Officer Fatally Shoots Two Pitbulls http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw Claims self-defense.... Copyright 2008 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:14 -0800 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:06:40 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Dan Savage There are no bad dogs... well, not in the 9700 block of 57th Avenue South anymore, at least.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875602 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875602 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:04:44 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball Not on Christmas! Oh! No, Dawn! Not on Christmas...not on Christmas...

]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875604 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875604 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:07:18 -0800 Comment by Will/HA Were any bars torn down during shooting?

]]> Will/HA http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875605 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875605 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:11:32 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty And this is news why? Jeezus, I'm no freakazoid, but if some pit bull on roids decides he's more badass than me, he'll probably meet the same fate.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875606 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875606 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:11:58 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle My question is, did he put them down with more than two rounds, or just a couple?

I would have unloaded three shots each from a six shot revolver, IMHO.

Want a pit bull? Then get a muzzle.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875608 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875608 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:24:30 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Sorry, Dan, forgot that the pit bull shaved its legs and was wearing a pair of full-fashioned nylons, which would make it all OK.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875609 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875609 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:25:41 -0800 Comment by Catalina Vel-Duray Good for the cop. That poor German Shepard was minding his own business in his own yard.

Too bad the cop couldn't also take out the asshole who owned those mutants, and let them roam like that.

]]> Catalina Vel-Duray http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875612 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875612 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:31:22 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty And hey, wait . . . America wants to know . . . was that dog obese???

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875613 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875613 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:34:01 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty I love you, Catalina (and you thouht you had your hands full with Ecce. . . .)

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875614 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875614 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:40:43 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Oh fuck, oh shit. Just saw that Dan Fogelberg died this morning. Oh fuck.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875620 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875620 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:52:00 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV That tears it.

I'm having my pitbulls kevlar-coated.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875629 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875629 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:10:59 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty When pit bulls are illegal, only illegals will own pit bulls . . .

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875635 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875635 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:22:12 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Justice.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875642 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875642 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:35:05 -0800 Comment by Mahtli69 What, didn't the cop have his taser charged?

]]> Mahtli69 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875658 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875658 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:27:33 -0800 Comment by Gomez People need to be held legally liable for the actions of their pets. If you're gonna own them, you need to be able to take the fall when you fail to secure them and they attack someone.

]]> Gomez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875665 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875665 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:52:10 -0800 Comment by croydonfacelift I believe what Schmader's doing here is a kind of hyper-ironic shtick, playing off THE STRANGER's anti-cop reputation for the sake of cheap laughs at the expense of the THE STRANGER's very anti-cop reputaion, thereby throwing Charles Mudede into a fugue from which he may not emerge until Spring.

]]> croydonfacelift http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875674 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875674 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:24:09 -0800 Comment by Packratt Well...

at least they didn't say the dogs were caught jaywalking.

]]> Packratt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875678 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875678 City Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:43:43 -0800 Comment by Randy I'm putting some iron armor on my pits. Kevlar's still too expensive.

]]> Randy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875694 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875694 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:06:08 -0800 Comment by Lordsman ban the breed - kill all of them - primal beasts not needed in urban centers to kill and maim other pets, babies and the elderly and their owners

kill all of them, end this bull shit from the bleeding hearts

the cop is a hero, give him a bonus and do a training film on shooting pit bulls

]]> Lordsman http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875720 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875720 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:02:32 -0800 Comment by Greg Throw in the Viaduct, and it's the Stranger news perfect storm.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875728 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875728 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:38:03 -0800 Comment by Simon Someone really needs to get on the city council about a resolution to once and for all ban these dogs from the city. It isn't about bad owners or bad dogs, but about a dangerous breed. Pit bulls have a jaw that locks once it has clamped down tight and whether that be on another dog or the throat of a three year old playing in his/her front yard it presents an obvious danger. No person other than a trained dog handler (we're not talking Westminster here) is truly capable of working with these dogs on a day to day basis. The history is enough regardless of what others would say.

]]> Simon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875730 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875730 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:47:48 -0800 Comment by curious I'm wondering where the cop aimed and how many shots each. yeah, one possible solution with animals such as these is to have them registered as lethal weapons, complete with ownership/locating beacons in the dog, background checks (like dog obedience classes for owner and dog) and legal responsibilities for any and all infractions. If owners were facing heavy fines and possible charges for offenses such as this, people would be less likely to own them casually.

]]> curious http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875735 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875735 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:02:00 -0800 Comment by Greg @21: The locking jaw thing is not supported by skeletal evidence. Seriously, ask a vet.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875799 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875799 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:55:16 -0800 Comment by markemmert This is a complex issue with passionate adherents on both sides.

Luckily it's easy to make up your mind once you realize that pitbulls are douchebags.

]]> markemmert http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875805 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875805 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:00:14 -0800 Comment by ellarosa simon, you are ignorant. that crap about the jaws locking is myth. they just have very strong jaws. and all the pits (many, many) i've ever met have been sweet, submissive dogs. and no, i've never owned one, so i'm not a pit apologist. and yes, i think the cop did the right thing.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875840 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875840 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:27:27 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV I'm having my pitbulls upgraded with the locking jaw option.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875861 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875861 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:48:22 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe @26

They already come with that. Didn't you know?!

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875942 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c875942 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:44:12 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV I also want laser-beams on their heads.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876021 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876021 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:25:50 -0800 Comment by Simon @25 Wow, how rude. I'd really like to see you go up to every victim of a pit bull attack and tell them what sweet dogs they are irregardless of whether or not the dogs jaws lock. Maybe you could even fly down to SF and tell Diane Whipple's still grieving partner what wonderful, gentle dogs Presa Canarios really are, but oh it's the people that own them. Well, yeah it's the people too, but look what kind of people are generally attracted to owning those types of dogs. I may be ignorant about the truth behind the locking jaw myth, but I'm not ignorant to the fact that enough people have been maimed or killed by these dogs that there is no reason they should be allowed as pets. Just think of all the other animals alone that these types of dogs injure. Isn't that enough?

]]> Simon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876067 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876067 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:52:53 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV Maybe I should just get a pet coyote.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876101 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876101 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:09:04 -0800 Comment by cw Pit Bulls killed Dan Folgelberg. Bastards.

]]> cw http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876413 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876413 City Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:56:03 -0800 Comment by Slogpit Question: What percent of fatal dog attacks or serious injuries involve pit bulls?

Answer: Way more than other dog breeds.

Most humane, long-term solution: spay or neuter the owner if a serious attack occurs.

]]> Slogpit http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876851 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/seattle_police_officer_fatally_shoots_tw#c876851 City Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:06:40 -0800