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<description>There is this idea out there, commonly espoused by precocious high school students and other irritating people, that a movie can ruin a book. Ruin it! Suck the joy out of it! Forevermore block the successful transmission of text from the page to your mind. I&apos;m newly annoyed because I just read Ella Taylor in the LA Weekly using her review of Atonement as an opportunity to bash Joe Wright&apos;s 2005 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice all over again. (Here&apos;s her review of Pride &amp; Prejudice, in which she disses Jane Austen, of all people. By the way, Ms. Taylor,...</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:42:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Marcel Duchump</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Based on the title I thought this was a post on Spike Jonze's Adaptation. Still a good post, though. I think the only adaptation that made me really physically sick was that horrendous Time Machine film in 2002. I wasn't even in high school and I knew it was terrible.</p>]]></description>
<author>Marcel Duchump</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867811</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:49:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PA Native</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Kiera Knightley looks like a dude.  </p>]]></description>
<author>PA Native</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867848</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:01:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Kiera Knightley has no tits. Haven't you seen <i>The Hole</i>? She is a dude.</p>

<p><i>Pride and Prejudice</i>  is 360 degrees of boring. How one manages to sit through that from beginning to end...well, I have respect for them.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867865</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:06:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shitbrain</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Don't know whether you've seen it, but in an interview included with the <i>Passage To India</i> DVD, David Lean makes pretty much exactly the same argument.</p>

<p>And, oh yeah, <i>Passage To India</i> just happens to be totally one of the five best flicks of the last quarter-century. (<i>The Kingdom I & II</i>, <i>My Life As A Dog</i>, and <i>Yi Yi</i> would be three of the others...not sure about the fourth. <i>Brazil</i>, probably?)<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>shitbrain</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867879</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:11:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jmoney</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear. Thanks, Annie!</p>]]></description>
<author>jmoney</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867881</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:12:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Josh Feit</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>And what's more: Peter Bogdanovich's The Last Picture Show is lots better than the Larry McMurtry novella it's based on.  <br />
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 </p>]]></description>
<author>Josh Feit</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867948</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:41:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by annie</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@4: Haven't seen it, thanks for the pointer. I think your list is nuts (mine would be more along the lines of <i>Close Up</i>, <i>Beau Travail</i>, <i>Fight Club</i>, and <i>Goodbye Dragon Inn</i>), but I just wanted to make sure you knew the uncut <i>Brazil</i> is playing next Friday at Saturday at the Egyptian's midnights.</p>]]></description>
<author>annie</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867952</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:42:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by casual moviegoer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>in "bend it like beckham" the indian chick was far hotter, on the shaggability scale, than kk. which leads me to the funnest recent adaptation of PaP: whatshername's Bride and Prejudice.</p>]]></description>
<author>casual moviegoer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c867960</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:44:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by annie</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8: Which, despite its many faults, stars the hands-down hottest woman in the world: Aishwarya Rai.</p>

<p>I feel sorry for all you Keira haters. She's not the prettiest person ever, but she has an awesome face for the movies, and she's perfect for Cecelia in <i>Atonement</i>.</p>]]></description>
<author>annie</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868010</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868010</guid>
<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:00:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by COMTE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Film adaptations of novels seldom follow either the narrative structure, plot or even character breakdowns of the original.  The fact that critics  are touting "No Country For Old Men" as, "The most faithful film adaptation of a novel in decades" should indicate how infrequently such fidelity to the source material actually occurs.</p>

<p>For example: I'm about half-way through "The Children Of Men", and although I enjoyed the film version, clearly it's NOTHING like the book, and I probably would have been greatly disappointed had I read it before seeing the adaptation.</p>

<p>Granted, they're completely different mediums, but it seems the degree to which film adaptations diverge from, or in many cases, completely disregard, key elements from the literary version should be of some concern, since presumably many people go explicitly to see the story with which they're already familiar.  However, the studios seem less interested in fidelity to the source, than they are (apparently) in capitalizing on the source to get readers' butts into the seats; how they respond after they've purchased the ticket would appear to be practically irrelevent.</p>]]></description>
<author>COMTE</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868019</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:04:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think you'll find most people would recount the story of Moses based on what they remember from the Cecil B. Demille movie, not Exodus.  If one film has the power can overwhelm the cultural impact of the Bible, then Pride and Prejudice is hardly invincible.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868020</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:05:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by mickey in AR</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9 I dont hate her but do think she could eat a few more bacon cheeseburgers.</p>]]></description>
<author>mickey in AR</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868032</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:08:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fyodor Zulinski</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>How, precisely, does one strengthen their imagination?</p>]]></description>
<author>Fyodor Zulinski</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868066</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:29:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by English Major General</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>T.S. Eliot in his essay Tradition and the Individual Talent offers this on the notion of the bi-directional nature of artistic reference:<br />
 <br />
"No poet, no artist of any art, has his complete meaning alone. His significance, his appreciation is the appreciation of his relation to the dead poets and artists. You cannot value him alone; you must set him, for contrast and comparison, among the dead. I mean this as a principle of ęsthetic, not merely historical, criticism. The necessity that he shall conform, that he shall cohere, is not one-sided; what happens when a new work of art is created is something that happens simultaneously to all the works of art which preceded it. The existing monuments form an ideal order among themselves, which is modified by the introduction of the new (the really new) work of art among them. The existing order is complete before the new work arrives; for order to persist after the supervention of novelty, the whole existing order must be, if ever so slightly, altered; and so the relations, proportions, values of each work of art toward the whole are readjusted; and this is conformity between the old and the new. Whoever has approved this idea of order, of the form of European, of English literature, will not find it preposterous that the past should be altered by the present as much as the present is directed by the past. And the poet who is aware of this will be aware of great difficulties and responsibilities."<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>English Major General</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868085</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:36:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Y'all are nuts. Kiera is gorgeous, and she has FANTASTIC tits.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868098</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:43:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shitbrain</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I just wanted to make sure you knew the uncut Brazil is playing next Friday at Saturday at the Egyptian's midnights.</blockquote>

<p>Thanks!  Saw that at the Neptune many years ago.  How's the print, do you know?</p>

<p>Trivia: a shot of the marquee from the Neptune's weeklong run appears in the opening credits to <i>Singles</i>.</p>

<p>Apropos: in his Criterion commentary, Gilliam says that while it's his interpretation of <i>1984</i>, he's never read the novel.</p>

<p>True story: I detest <i>Fight Club</i> like none other.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>shitbrain</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868143</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:03:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by annie</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@13: By reading, probably.</p>

<p>@14: Fair enough, but despite his rhetorical dedication to the individual artist, Eliot is really talking about the influence of new literary movements on the established canon. He's paying himself a not-so-subtle compliment, claiming that modernism has diminished the reputation of romanticism etc. In any case, clearly new versions of a work of literature (mostly good or at least compelling ones) can inflect the original; I just don't think a robust original can be completely destroyed by its descendants.</p>

<p>@11: That example is no good. Huge populations are <i>obsessed</i> with the actual text of the Bible, and this will persist long after people quit watching DeMille (a process that has already started).</p>]]></description>
<author>annie</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868154</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:05:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PA Native</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8 Agreed. Parminder Nagra is her name I believe.   </p>]]></description>
<author>PA Native</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868155</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868155</guid>
<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:06:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bauhaus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Two different media. Two different experiences.</p>

<p>One is borne of words that swirl around the reader's brain conjuring up all sorts of imaginary images. The other is story-telling given to you visually through the eyes of a director and cinematographer where characters are personified by actors.</p>

<p>It's almost like eating butter pecan ice cream and bitching about it not tasting like a hot fudge sundae.</p>]]></description>
<author>Bauhaus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868166</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:13:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by michael strangeways</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Keira IS too skinny, but those period clothes do hang nicely on her...she's a very talented clothes hangar.</p>]]></description>
<author>michael strangeways</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868248</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868248</guid>
<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:52:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fyodor Zulinski</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#17: I read plenty, but I try and keep movie and book experiences separate; when someone says "Frodo", my brain skips to Elijah Wood. Got any other suggestions?</p>]]></description>
<author>Fyodor Zulinski</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868302</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868302</guid>
<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:11:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There was a short time a while back where Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston were going to star in the movie version of <i>The Time Traveler's Wife</i>. Such a movie would not only have ruined the book, it would have forced me to kill everyone. EVERYONE. Thank God that fell through.</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868354</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:36:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by GiveMeABreak</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I have seen Atonement three times.  And, I have heard with my own ears from Joe Wright that he meticulously and scrupulously had the screenplay rewritten to reflect the book almost to a tee.  I have also heard him say that Ian McEwan has given his wholehearted approval.  I bet NONE of those adaptation snobs have any of THAT knowledge.  You know the type, ready and able to criticize any adaptation at will.  It's called pseudo-intellect.</p>

<p>That being said, there will always be those who will never believe a movie can or will ever do justice to a book. Don't believe their self serving prose, no matter how right they think they are because in the end it's fiction, get it??? </p>

<p>Bravo to those who will always lend their artistic vision to a story and stick to their guns for bringing it to the fore.  Pride was a fantastic and masterful piece of film making by Joe Wright and it was HIS vision that brought many to the world of Jane Austen...I bet not one critic or naysayer of that film has had the artistic vision to do something like that.  </p>

<p>Joe Wright for your consideration!!!;-)</p>]]></description>
<author>GiveMeABreak</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c868532</link>
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<category>Film</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:30:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Shini</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I never expect any adapations of books to stay faithful to the books. I mean, there has NEVER been any movie adaptation of the Count of Monte Criso that kept the ending as is.</p>

<p>So pretty much you have to treat them as two separate stories.</p>]]></description>
<author>Shini</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/on_adaptation#c869150</link>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:41:30 -0800</pubDate>
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