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Boys in diapers drinking out of bottles? Mild. Girls eating chocolate pudding out of diapers? EXTREME.

eating chocolate pudding out of adult diapers. if they had caught it on tape and posted it on youtube it would have served asmasturbation material for several thousand of the most extreme pervs throughout the world, courtesy of the christian right. there is something so...perfect about that. if only.

Not only are the skits perverse, they also perpetuate the myth that girls exist to serve boys and do the dirty work.

Fnarf's right. Christians are so lame.

#3 it ain't a myth...

Why do you think that girls who are "on a career track" are so insufferably annoying and anti-human?

Go to any Kaoroake night and you'll see what I am talking about.

We are looking at the formation of an entire generation of women who will age horribly, without a partner and will spend their golden years alone, dried up and miserable.

If they actually did some of the "dirty work" and adhered to some semblance of traditional gender roles, they would likely feel more satisfied and happy.

Though, the demand for tramp stamps and peach schnapps might decrease once they have purpose in their lives.

Oh, ecce homo. I love you.

I thought most life-long fetishes are generally formed before puberty. Granted, 14 is kind of on the line.

Why do you think that girls who are "on a career track" are so insufferably annoying and anti-human?

Everyone on a "career track" is insufferably annoying. It goes with the territory. The same thing could probably be said of people who do karaoke. =)

If we were going to see that generation, we would have seen it already. Funnily enough, most people don't see highly-defined gender roles as the keystone of a good relationship.

Seriously? It's not like there were any shady goings on in a dark room or adults preying on children. It was a game.

http://flickr.com/photos/85571946@N00/2093791488/in/pool-strangerphotos/

Ecce? You're a worthless human being.

Oh, Young Life. Just another cornerstone of high school conformity.

Good lord. If I had known THIS sort of thing happened at Young Life, maybe I would've gone to some meetings with the rest of my midwestern high school friends.

I wonder how many saw those boys in a sexual way and said nothing just letting it happen because it was like a dream come true. There is no way that one sexual thought did not happen.

I dont' get the karaoke connection.

it is ecce's only cultural touchstone in the post-Reagan universe

Apropos of what He Who Shall Not Be Named said, I have only rarely seen women who are following their "true purpose in life" happy. They tend to be miserable, they take it out on their partners and children through abuse or neglect, and everyone suffers for it.

So my "true purpose in life" is to be a house keeper and crap out kids? Sorry 'Mo, but this bitch would go Andrea Yates all over her kids and her man's ass if someone stuffed her in the tired, fundy role of June Cleaver.

@ Dan, I've got a feeling some of these kids will be writing you before too long.

I’ll bet he did—and odds are good that he’ll be having fun in diapers for the rest of his life.

Much of which he'll no doubt spend as a Republican congressman...

Is this like a 2girls1cup Jesus approved version?

Now, if the leader had just had the boys use a high chair, there'd be much less for angry mothers to get angry about. And it would have been funny watching them try to fit in and out of a high chair... especially those old fashioned wooden ones.

I don't see much wrong with the "skit" itself... though, I'd likely call it a game or a race, rather than a skit.

It doesn't matter what you have them doing, teenagers will have sexual thoughts. The boys could have put spoons in their mouths and balanced eggs in them to have an Egg Carrying race, and someone would have thought "Wow, his lips look good around that spoon...." Or, if they'd crab-walked around a course "My, he's flexible."

This woman needs to relax. Rather than freaking out, going to the police and the school principal (which surely mortified her son... he's probably getting teased all over school now as a Mama's Boy or some such, maybe real diapers being put in his locker....) she should have just sat down with the Young Life leader and explained why she felt the "skit" was inappropriate. Hell, reading the article, she was offered a meeting with the Leader in question and his supervisors. She said she wasn't interested, and would rather go to the police.

Nut job. Why actually communicate and resolve differences when you can try to ruin a person's life forever because of your own bigotry.

Well the conservatives love to spout that Clinton brought blowjobs to the kids as the mainstream norm, I guess we now get to blame the conservative Republican David Vitter for this fiasco.

This is something I would expect out of a Dan Savage summer camp for bored rich prep school kids, not a so-called Christian youth group.

But you have to admit, it's a pretty brilliant scheme for recruiting membership in Young Life.

So, talking and dancing are out as "icebreakers" but stripping teenage boys, dressing them in humiliating outfits and treating them like infants in public will bring them out of their shells? I'm with Ms. Metz on this - that "Christian Youth" group sounds creepy and the only thing they're encouraging is a new generation of David Vitters.

#18 - Speak for yourself. I love being at home taking care of my kid, keeping up the house and garden and "not working". I do feel like it's my true purpose in life. But then I'm a gay dude, so what do I know.

Whence David Vitter...

See, this is why it sucks being Jewish. The Christian kids get co-ed scat fetish training while the closest I ever to to that in Hebrew School was the time the Rabbi dropped that little Torah-reading-stick-shaped-like-a-finger-pointing-handand said 'fuck.'

Thus my Torah-reading-stick-shaped-like-a-finger-pointing-hand kink was born.

P.S. Before you can read the Torah, you have to UNDRESS it, as it comes clad in all sorts of velvet vests, petticoats and lace belts. Don't tell me that shit aint sexy.

how outragious!! what else is going on in the mad mad world!!

Man, I never had fun like that at church camp when I was 14. I remember 2 boys that I had the hots for in church at about that age. If I'd ever seen them shirtless in diapers I think I might have spontaneously combusted on the spot.

Parents, ask your kids what goes on at their youth groups. Church or school affiliation doesn't automatically make a group safe. Acccording to a 2004 article on the FBI site, pedophiles are often "persons in positions of trust or which provide them ready access to children such as youth ministers, camp counselors, public servants and employees of law enforcement agencies."

If the police were doing their job, they'd be raiding Wandriscos's home and office looking for child pornography instead of ignoring the warning signs.

O.J. Wandrisco was a well known accomplished HS wrestler.

http://www.wpial.org/archives/club/100-w.htm

and his email is
jwand1@_________.net

Yep, "J Wand" We all know what that means ... wink wink, nod nod.

Move along now, these are not the droids ...

Ever since Senator David Vitter performed this skit at Catholic school in Louisiana, he has had a problem with diapers, and prostitutes ever since! I'm sure Wendy Vitter would have something to say about Christian schools continuing to teach their young wards new fetishes!

Ugh -- the chocolate pudding had JELLY BEANS in it. That's right, it was chunk-style.

Bleaghhh!

This is what "christianity" has warped into.

I was a youth group... not christian, we were drug and alcohol prevention, and our ice breakers were along the lines of; what do you collect, how many times have you been pulled over by the police, the silliest thing your parent's have ever said to you, etc.

This is perverse and all adults involved should be sent to Iraq as punishment.

Oh, Michelle... You really are a Michelle, you know that?

Maybe this guy was practicing a skit:

DA suppressed Alabama Baptist pastor autopsy
Died of suffocation, but why?
By Lester Haines
Published Thursday 11th October 2007 09:55 GMT
On 24 June this year, 51-year-old Reverend Gary M Aldridge, senior pastor at the Thorington Road Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, was found dead at his home having failed to put in an appearance at that morning's services.
...
The "Evidence of Injury" section elaborates:
The decedent is clothed in a diving wet suit, a face mask which has a single vent for breathing, a rubberized head mask having an opening for the mouth and eyes, a second rubberized suit with suspenders, rubberized male underwear, hands and feet have diving gloves and slippers. There are numerous straps and cords restraining the decedent. There is a leather belt about the midriff. There is a series of ligatures extending from the hands to the feet. The hands are bound behind the back. The feet are tied to the hands. There are nylon ligatures holding these in place with leather straps about the wrists and ankles. There are plastic cords also tied about the hands and feet with a single plastic cord extending up to the head and surrounding the lower neck. There is a dildo in the anus covered with a condom.

Young Life needs to be Investigated because these skits are atypical psychological testing.
They are looking for individuals that either stress out or have no stress response at all.
They take interest in and then attempt to groom the individual that has no stress response, their future Sociopath. Bush participated in the same routine (masturbated while giving his sexual history in front of the entire cult) in his Skull and Bones Cult and look what we got.

This not so abnormal. These kids have so many rules, so they act out to have some kind of fun. It isn't new either. I (during my brief youth Christian phase) participated in a skit where my partner and I ate peanut butter from each others armpits, navels, and between toes. This was in 1980. We just wanted to gross our friends out.

Eating peanut butter from your friend's armpits and toes? Nothin' abnormal about that.

Now if it was CHUNKY peanut butter...

I can't find anything here to get too excited about. (Hm. Teenage boys in diapers... maybe a *little* excited, in the good way...)

No, seriously, this sounds pretty standard as the kind of thing teenage kids would do in a situation where they're on stage in front of a bunch of their peers trying to be funny. Shock is part of funny. As a veteran of summer camp, band camp (shudder), and residence life, uh... camp, I've seen young people do all kinds of things to push the envelope a little for the sake of a laugh. Treating this like it's pervy is a little funny if you're a sex columnist who can pull off irony in writing, but it's hella dumb if you're serious about it. This ain't pervy. Having a war for no particular reason, now THAT's pervy.

Is anyone besides me a little creeped out by the amount of time and energy Dan Savage seems to take tracking down every potential instance of perversion and paraphilia remotely connected to right-wing followers of the Jesus cult? I mean, does he do anything else? Worse than creepy, though, it's frankly tedious.

OHHH!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! MMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!!!! oh my.. Can I be in the next one?

I went to a Young Life retreat at ft. Casey when I was a freshman in HS. For an icebreaker, they had all 100+ guys jam together in a tight wad in the center of the room, locking arms, legs and holding each other tight as possible. Next, the girls came around us and tried to tickle us all loose. Later that weekend I got a Blow Job in the pitch black catacombs by one of the other guys from another school. He just started going there while a bunch of us were sitting around talking in the pitch black. I wondered it my friends could tell. Years later, I became an atheist, but I still love blow jobs. good times.

A little hypocritical of ya Dan, if they had boys acting gay, or boys in drag you wouldn't bat an eye at it, but youre complaining about this?

I was invited to join this youth group when I was in middle school. If I would have known this was going on I would have been there in a heartbeat.

When I was a teenager, my fundamentalist evangelical youth group had one game where the girls would be blindfolded and the boys would all roll their pant legs up above their knees. Then the girls would have to crawl around the seated boys and try to guess who was who by feeling their legs and calves. Strangely it was never done with the boys blindfolded and feeling the girls' legs.

This was a church which taught teenagers in Sunday School that it was a sin if through our actions we sexually aroused someone. We were also told we shouldn't even close a door behind us if we were alone in a room with someone our age of the opposite sex. I always got the strong feeling that many of our teachers and ministers had real problems keeping their minds off of sex! All the talk about sex simply made us think about it even more!

I should have pointed out that the above activites took place in the mid 1960's!

God knows what that church group is doing now for fun!!!

As I remember it, Young Live was one huge booze fueled orgy anyway.

Dan, I completely agree that this so-called "skit" is a whole lot of inappropriate... but I'm not really comfortable with the way you seem to be making it out like some kind of fetish recruitment.

This is not, as you say, "how life-long fetishes are born." I don't believe a 14-year-old boy can be "turned infantilist" by wearing diapers one afternoon, any more than he could be "turned gay" by seeing a man naked, "turned transvestite" by trying on lipstick, "turned into a foot fetishist" by going to a shoe store, "turned submissive" by a birthday spanking, etc etc etc. Sexuality comes from a much deeper place. If any of the boys involved in that skit came out of it with fetishes, then they probably already had them before the skit started.

Confession time: I'm an infantilist. And I knew I was different by the time I was 5. Believe me, it is not something that comes on one day just because you wear a costume. (If that were the root cause of fetishes, well, there'd be an awful lot of ghost, frankenstein, angel, princess, superman, and clown fetishists running around my neighborhood.)

That skit was inappropriate for about sixteen different reasons, but "because it'll turn impressionable young boys into diaper freaks" isn't one of them.