Slog - Comments on Now It All Makes Sense http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense When the city of Berkeley, California, stopped allowing the anti-gay Boy Scouts to berth a ship at a city-owned dock without paying rent, Eugene Austin Evans sued the city. Evans was the skipper of the Farallon, a ship owned by Berkeley's scouting organization. Well guess what? Evans was upset about losing that dock because he was using the Farallon as his own personal brothel. A longtime Berkeley Sea Scouts leader arrested on suspicion of child molestation was the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging the city of Berkeley's decision to end the group's rent-free berthing because of the parent Boy... Copyright 2008 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:00:00 -0800 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:51:52 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Some Jerk Obviously this means that all the men (and boys) who were petitioning that the Boy Scouts lift their ban on gay men and athiests are pedophiles and rapists.


Clearly.

]]> Some Jerk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862258 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862258 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:04:37 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Wait, they banned gays and atheists? Other than the typical bigotry, how are they supposed to know if someone is gay and/or atheist if they can't spot a 64-year-old pedophile?

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862259 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862259 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:05:20 -0800 Comment by max solomon schadenfreude has never been so satisfying.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862267 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862267 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:16:16 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 they make the parents of the kids sign a statement that they have some sort of faith, they don't really do the same thing for teh gays. so they really try and keep out atheists more than gay people, and really they don't care about gay scouts just gay scout leaders. presumably because if the child is gay it makes the abuse a little easier

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862292 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862292 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:34:54 -0800 Comment by Judah Evans was upset about losing that dock because he was using the Farallon as his own personal brothel.

I'm sorry, but wouldn't that imply he was at least paying them?

Just sayin'.

]]> Judah http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862301 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862301 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:43:19 -0800 Comment by brandon 3 - until you realize that, you know, some kids were MOLESTED.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862328 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862328 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:00:20 -0800 Comment by Original Andrew

"...lewd and lascivious acts...oral copulation...penetration with a foreign object...showing harmful material"

Wow, it sounds like they're reading from Michael Jackson's diary. Unlike Jacko though, he probably won't be found Not Guilty Due To Celebrity.

]]> Original Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862339 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862339 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:10:26 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO penetration with a foreign object of a minor? That has got to be the creepiest sounding charge ever...

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862365 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862365 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:38:24 -0800 Comment by Original Andrew


Mike in MO @ 8,

Nah, that's got to be "assault with a concrete dildo" from The Naked Gun.

]]> Original Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862380 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862380 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:46:56 -0800 Comment by Matthew He may be a Goddamned whoremonger, but at least he's not gay!

]]> Matthew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862381 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862381 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:47:09 -0800 Comment by bill but was he also a youth pastor? that'd be the trifecta.

]]> bill http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862382 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862382 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:47:42 -0800 Comment by Wurm you american's are cuckoo, I was in cubs in the UK and cubs / scouts in Canada, not once was there a mention of faith / god / religion in my years there.

]]> Wurm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862453 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862453 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:30:33 -0800 Comment by Mahtli69 @8 - Yeah ... somebody had to think that up and put it in the books as a specific crime. Because, "lewd and lascivious acts with a minor" didn't cover it.

]]> Mahtli69 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862460 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862460 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:34:41 -0800 Comment by Mahtli69 @4 Hey, I'm an atheist and an Eagle Scout. So nyaahhhh!

Our troop was sponsored by a Lutheran church, which I did not attend. I never had to sign anything declaring a faith, and neither did my parents.

Granted, at the time, I didn't exactly go around saying "There is no God!", so I'd say it was a "don't ask, don't tell" policy more than anything. Basically the same as their pedophile policy, apparently.

]]> Mahtli69 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862469 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862469 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:40:40 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 @14 i was a scout too, and my parents had to sign a statement that they had some faith in something, but it really is mostly ignored especially for the scouts themselves rather than the leaders

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862476 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862476 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:44:43 -0800 Comment by OddlyEnough Yes, @12, SOME Americans are cuckoo. The rest of us just sit back blithely and watch society crumble.

Back in the day my little boy was asked to 'sign the pledge.' As difficult as it was, I had to deny him entry into an organization that discriminates based on a specific dogma and on the exclusion of humans who do not fit the only-approved-sexuality criteria. Little did I know that I was likely sparing him from molestation too!!

Ah, nothing like good old-fashioned family values...

]]> OddlyEnough http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862492 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862492 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:53:22 -0800 Comment by Dougsf The Boy Scouts have SHIPS?

]]> Dougsf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862562 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c862562 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:07:47 -0800 Comment by Pedro To clarify some confusion:

* The Supreme Court challenge was over whether the city could refuse to offer descriminating non-profits the same benefits they do for others.

* Scouts verbally promise to do their duty to God and country. It's not an option to choose one and not the other. Most groups don't require anyone to sign a statement, but the membership application requires that members subscribe to the beliefs of the organization.

* Cub Scouts are organized in groups called Packs. Boy Scouts are organized in groups called Troops. Sea Scouts are organized in groups called Ships. Sometimes Sea Scouts Ships have no boat, sometimes they have a 100' ex-Coast Guard vessel that sleeps 20. Looks like the Berkeley group had a ~40 foot yacht.

* Sexual abuse is not supposed to happen in Scouting. The first rule they teach leaders is that there must always be two adults present when a Scout is with a leader.


]]> Pedro http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863038 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863038 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:54:47 -0800 Comment by Xeno
Fags? In Berkeley?

Moooooooooooooooo.

]]> Xeno http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863155 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863155 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:09:17 -0800 Comment by Gitai @17 Sea Scouts is part of the Explorer program and allows girls to participate. Obviously, Sea Scouts is largely restricted to the coasts.

@4 They really, really, really are not bothering with trying to keep out the gays, at least judging from the ship the kid I mentor is a part of. The kid is super gay, has at least one other gay shipmate, and has been carrying out the proud naval tradition of rum, sodomy, and the lash. Well, at least the sodomy part.

And honestly, there's no way they're not gonna get tons of gay boys, given that their dress blues are a Navy uniform.

]]> Gitai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863180 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c863180 News Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:11:20 -0800 Comment by JP Those kids probably were probably out smoking pot because I think its legal in Berkeley and they were late for dinner with their parents. But how do you get out of trouble? You blame someone to cover your own ass. Or The gay & lesbian city council of Berkeley set this whole thing up. Government is very powerfull and when they want you out, they will do anything...Look at imminent domain..The government can take your house, even if you own it and sell it to a developer to build condos.

]]> JP http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c866901 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/now_it_all_makes_sense#c866901 News Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:51:52 -0800