Slog - Comments on Is Raw Milk Healthier? http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier Nipper came in a little while ago and gave us a demonstration of his new baby's "milk drunk" face. It reminded me of this week's Dear Science column about the benefits and drawbacks of drinking raw milk. Some people say that drinking raw milk is better for you, but Science claims that humans don't really benefit from drinking the milk of other species raw. There are no health benefits in drinking raw milk—the nutrients easily survive the heating. Only breast milk for a baby is better raw, health-wise, so the white blood cells are allowed to live and do... Copyright 2008 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:05:47 -0800 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:59:45 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Lake Who is Nipper.
What is Milk Drunk.

]]> Lake http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871545 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871545 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:17:49 -0800 Comment by brandon listeriosis, anyone? raw milk = bad. it's illegal in most states for a very good reason.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871550 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871550 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:21:19 -0800 Comment by Hernandez Nipper is a breeder?

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871554 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871554 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:22:51 -0800 Comment by Jim Demetre It's all about the enzymes, baby!

]]> Jim Demetre http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871560 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871560 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:24:20 -0800 Comment by PA Native As a new parent myself, I am familiar with the "milk drunk" face and love it. It is the picture of content.

]]> PA Native http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871588 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871588 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:46:26 -0800 Comment by Gloria This is one cute goat.

]]> Gloria http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871590 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871590 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:56 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Drinking raw cow milk - not good for you.

Drinking raw goat milk - same.

Drinking raw human milk when you are 5 or younger - good for you.

Period.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871594 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871594 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:50:29 -0800 Comment by john Nipper is awesome! You should let him Slog.

I'd love to see a few posts a day from him.

]]> john http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871610 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871610 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:39 -0800 Comment by MvB I grew up drinking raw milk, with no memorable problems. But then I was in charge of QA since I was actually milking the cows myself.

]]> MvB http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871633 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871633 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:19:32 -0800 Comment by Larkin go to google and do undulant fever

no raw milk, used to be killer stuff if the cow is infected

as a kid we had a small farm and a milk cow - my mom milked her, I have one hell of a mama- tell me, and was sterile/very clean ... in how she handled the milk to keep it pure

but just from the store, no raw milk

]]> Larkin http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871649 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871649 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:37:59 -0800 Comment by Andrew raw milk is sometimes probably bad. But always tasty.

And young raw milk cheeses are almost always tasty (but very illegal).

]]> Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871668 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871668 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:59:59 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I see that Larkin grew up on a farm too ... seriously, you can get a lot of really bad diseases from drinking raw cow's milk, people.

There's a reason why pasteurization was regarded as one of the most important inventions ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871676 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871676 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:39 -0800 Comment by brandon it could be even worse than what we already know - i had a professor in grad school who thinks there is a link between the bovine leukemia virus [found in raw milk] and breast cancer. she has some pretty compelling evidence, although she has enormous skepticism and political resistance to overcome. but i'd err on the side of caution. you never know....

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871735 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871735 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:22:47 -0800 Comment by Sister Y Raw milk is riskier than pasteurized milk. But, just as raw eggs in ice cream taste better than pasteurized egg product ice cream, raw milk tastes way better.

For me, it's worth the risk. I hope it remains legal.

]]> Sister Y http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871781 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871781 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:03:23 -0800 Comment by herbert browne Re "there are no health benefits in drinking raw milk—the nutrients easily survive the heating.."-
Oh, yeah? Then the heat only hurts the alleged pathogens? Sounds like the same-ol' crap to me... eg "All vitamins are the same"... so I'll file it under "we're educated, & you're not, you ignorant (insert epithet here)". Given the # of raw milk providers & the # of cases of attributable sickness that has sprung from them, I'll take my chances that 1. the nutrients are 'better' for me, as well as the flavor; and 2. the measures of cleanliness observed by my milk providers is sufficient to protect me... & you (yes- even YOU, Mr. Hysteria-man)... ^..^
Ever been to a commercial dairy?.. & seen the charts of individual cows, and what they've been medicated with, lately, and the # of days before they can legally be milked, again?.. and the wall chart that tells you what's in the medications?.. & maybe you have a list of the most common teratogens, endocrine disruptors & known carcinogens there in your shirt pocket- and do some comparisons of the Published ingredients with the List... & don't even worry about synergistic effects, because nobody Else does... (& explain again why your shit don't stink 'cause you don't eat meat...) ^..^

]]> herbert browne http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871837 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871837 Science Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:00:22 -0800 Comment by chas Redmond Herbert - why does pig shit smell so much worse and is so much harder to get off than cow or horse shit? Honest question here. Some of this stuff is actually useful, cowpies burn. I guess pig shit is a rich fertilizer but I think there are certain things you can't or shouldn't grow with it. Total dimwit on that end of the sustainable scale.

]]> chas Redmond http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871887 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c871887 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:41:33 -0800 Comment by D. Raw milk and raw cheese are not illegal. I buy both all the time and I drink both all the time and have never had a problem. For more information on what it is and where you can buy it, check out www.realmilk.com.

]]> D. http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872005 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872005 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:16:33 -0800 Comment by Red Dancer I felt this Dear Science article was completely unresearched and biased. Raw milk is completely healthy and the farmers and dairymen, er, people, who proudly sell their fresh milk take great care in making sure it's safe. They have to. Those states that allow the legal selling of raw milk also enforce strict health policies regarding their product. I've been drinking raw milk now for 2 years and the few times I've returned to pasteurized/homogenized milk, I noticed a marked difference in how I felt, which was not better. Do your homework, folks, and you can start by checking out the website posted in the comment above.

]]> Red Dancer http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872027 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872027 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:34:08 -0800 Comment by Toby Bah. No adult should drink any kind of milk. Ever. ;)

]]> Toby http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872046 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:44:05 -0800 Comment by D. I'd like to add that this is the first time I have had any background knowledge about the science topic at hand. And given the poor research and contradiction from my own life experience, I can just dismiss any other topics Jonathan brings up as being flat out wrong.

]]> D. http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872060 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872060 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:54:45 -0800 Comment by True story My grandmother got tuberculosis from raw milk.

]]> True story http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872109 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:24:01 -0800 Comment by Also true My Grandmother lived a long, healthy life drinking raw milk.

]]> Also true http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872554 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c872554 Science Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:30:45 -0800 Comment by Phyllis Entis The Washington Department of Agriculture has just advised consumers about raw milk that is contaminated with Campylobacter, a food poisoning microbe. Please see the following link for more details: http://efoodalert.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-drinking-raw-milk-can-be-risky.html

]]> Phyllis Entis http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c877410 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/is_raw_milk_healthier#c877410 Science Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:59:45 -0800