Slog - Comments on David Frum on Romney's Speech http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech Sorry to dissent from my colleagues on the Corner, but once the murmurs over the oratory subside, people are going to realize: that speech did not work. Here's why: "There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths. Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance."... Copyright 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:35:53 -0800 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:35 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Will in Seattle Mormons are just as Christian as Muslims are.

They both believe that Jesus was a prophet, just not the final Prophet.

They both have additional texts that follow the Old Testament and New Testament (although Mormons don't have as different a compilation of texts for the New Testament).

But calling them Christian ... um, no.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866520 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866520 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:43:19 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 Ha, i did not know that juicy little tid-bit about LDS theology.

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866521 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866521 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:43:47 -0800 Comment by kerri harrop I wish he had said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of Santa Claus." It would really spice things up.

]]> kerri harrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866543 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866543 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:49:01 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe This picture screams "dictator".

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866546 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866546 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:50:12 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn I think it's an abomination of Biblical proportions that in America where "church" and state are seperate, this sort of lewd discussion comes up. I will fight to the end to prevent the Christo-Taliban from taking over America.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866549 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866549 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:51:53 -0800 Comment by Phelix I agree with Mr. Frum... you can't answer one question that paints you in a good light and refuse to answer other questions that won't without people commenting on it.

*shrug*

I also agree with Will in Seattle. Mormons, LDS, whatever have a valid faith, but it's not christianity. Just like Christians aren't Jews.

]]> Phelix http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866558 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866558 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:56:34 -0800 Comment by Peter Am the only one who wouldn't know that Romney made this speech today had I not looked at the front page of SLOG?

]]> Peter http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866564 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866564 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:00:18 -0800 Comment by elenchos I don't get why this is being discussed in a rational way. I mean, if there is a logical inconsistency or contradiction in what Romney is saying, why would religious people care? The whole point of being religious is to pitch rationality out the window and believe whatever.

Since there is no place in the GOP for atheists, this is just a matter of getting Mitt's solipsism to line up with the solipsism of the other Republicans. And that is entirely a matter of whatever they decide they want to think, not what follows logically from the facts.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866576 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866576 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:07:27 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 damn, poe. you're right just look at those shiny boots, total authoritarian

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866620 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866620 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:29:00 -0800 Comment by infrequent yes, this was opening a door he did not want to open. he should not be trying to demonstrate i'm one you, i'm a christian, but instead, like JFK, illustrate i'm one of you, i'm an american.

and, elenchos, your comments confuse he if your are being serious or sarcastic. why would religious people care? seriously, because that's what they do. they care (too much) about religion.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866626 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866626 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:34:11 -0800 Comment by Bauhaus Romney is Lucifer.

Remember that line in "Broadcast News" about The Devil not being some gnarling motherfucker with long claws and yellow fang-like teeth?

No, he'll be pretty and he'll have a soothing voice and a killer wardrobe. He'll charm the shit out of you. But his message will be: cruelty is kind, heartlessness is wisdom, war is bad but don't you love that defense contractor paycheck?

Romney is a white bread, empty shell front for big business and the military-industrial complex. He's the new and improved Bush. Give 'em some of that ol' time religion while backing trucks into the Treasury Department. Running a Mormon was risky, but really...who's more "morally" tight-assed than a Mormon? And the red states love that, don't they?

]]> Bauhaus http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866633 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866633 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:39:39 -0800 Comment by Tlazolteotl As usual, David Frum proves he is stupid. The problem with Mittster's speech was in his saying that freedom follows from religion, which is WRONG!

]]> Tlazolteotl http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866762 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866762 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:31:28 -0800 Comment by dr c Recall that Frum is the idiot who coined 'Axis of Evil.' Guy is a heavyweight toolbag. I think I'll send Frum my 'I Heart Mormon Pussy' bumper sticker.

So, the Christians vote out Romney and vote in Huckabee who thinks the Earth is only 6 thousand years old and God created Eve from Adam's McRib. Great.

]]> dr c http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866766 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866766 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:33:19 -0800 Comment by Original Andrew


But what about the all-important, demon-rebuking MAGIC MORMON UNDERWEAR issue??

]]> Original Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866788 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866788 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:47:36 -0800 Comment by Greg Romney's speech makes me so mad. Gah! What a douche.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866843 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866843 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:22:19 -0800 Comment by la Sorry to just get into class, but who is David Frum?

]]> la http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866884 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866884 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:43:10 -0800 Comment by chi type Oh Mittens! Your crazy mythological beliefs are just as valid as everyone elses (ie. not at all).

]]> chi type http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866917 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866917 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:56:04 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty I'm confused. Will someone please explain to me why any of you gives a shit what ANY Republicrit says? I mean, it's not like any of us would ever consider VOTING for any of the douche-nozzles. . . .

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866954 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866954 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:19:10 -0800 Comment by Wolf I'm not sure why we care about Mormons or dog butts either one. C'mon, Dan, get behind a behind we can all get behind!

]]> Wolf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866994 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c866994 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:44:28 -0800 Comment by Brad It's too bad the question couldnt have been something along the lines of "Do you believe it is important to uphold the constitution of the United States?"

]]> Brad http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867059 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867059 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:43:40 -0800 Comment by ellarosa slog is just obsessed with romney since this speech. honestly, does anyone really think he might be elected? no one but people who are just like him (and many of their wives) will vote for him. last i looked, there weren't enough of those to constitute a majority.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867097 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867097 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:45:39 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 @16 he is a former Bush speech writer, talk about a future killing job title

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867156 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/david_frum_on_romneys_speech#c867156 2008 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:32:42 -0800 Comment by nu, where is issur? It's hard to credit a guy named Frum with a deep understanding of Christianity or the LDS church. (Frum is Yiddish for exceptionally closely observing the Jewish commandments, particularly those relating to the Sabbath, diet, and sex.) Maybe when they need someone to explain Judaism, they could get a guy named "Ayatollah".

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