Slog - Comments on Conversations About Presidential Politics I've Had Recently http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic The guy I lift weights with has been an Obama guy since the beginning but ever since Gore failed to do what my imagination had in mind I've been a Hillary guy. "Hillary--I just feel like--I dunno--she wants it too badly," the guy I lift weights with said a couple weeks ago, and I said, "But don't you want someone who wants it?" And he would say, "She just so establishment, she's by the book, she's too aggressive, she's annoying." And I would say, "Don't you want someone who's aggressive and annoying and who know knows the book inside and... Copyright 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:40:08 -0800 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:08:22 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe Facts:

- Gore was never going to run again
- Gore should never run again
- Maureen Dowd has had no say in anything since 1982, when she brought that party-crashing bullshit mixtape to a party. Nobody every told her that Pink Floyd sucks.
- Hillary is going to be our next President
- We've never had a good President

Thank you.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869983 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869983 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:51:05 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe *ever. Fuck.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869984 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869984 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:52:19 -0800 Comment by laterite "Because I feel like Hillary has some of her husband in her."


Doesn't this run contrary to recent rumors?

]]> laterite http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869998 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c869998 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:13:37 -0800 Comment by tsm Met a few of my relatives today, die-hard Republicans all. They hate Hillary, but also hate Rudy. And they said they'd vote for Obama.

Just though I'd add that to the pile of anecdata.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870003 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870003 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:23:39 -0800 Comment by david in wedgwood Biden is Right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOa989IRYw

]]> david in wedgwood http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870005 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870005 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:26:03 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I like both Clinton and Obama. I prefer Barack, but I'd be relatively happy with Hillary too. I do think Barack's got a better chance of winning.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870013 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870013 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:35:25 -0800 Comment by Hal Sheep! Ba-aaaaa...

]]> Hal http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870031 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870031 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:58 -0800 Comment by Original Monique Obama is a moron when it comes to healthcare and foreign policy. He would make a good VP at best. Christ I hope he doesn't go head to head with Rudy or Huckabee. Dude would LOSE.

]]> Original Monique http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870049 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870049 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:07:26 -0800 Comment by ellarosa i'm also starting to think obama doesn't have the proper chops for the job. damn, i really liked edwards, but it's clear he doesn't have a chance. and i stand by my prediction that clinton is going to pull a reverse-bush (as in: be more liberal once in office than she presents herself now) if elected, so i don't despair about her winning.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870064 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870064 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:20:30 -0800 Comment by Michael don't trust Clinton - she would be as secretive, if not more, than Bush and I'm tired of the legacy candidate. It's time to move to the future and to stop fighting the meme of past hatreds. Obama is for the future and reminds me of Lincoln.
We need to say goodbye to the boomer generation and move on.

]]> Michael http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870072 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870072 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:27:03 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I keep waiting to be impressed with Obama. I want to like the guy. I want to have a great black President. But his performances in the debates have been fuckin' *terrible*. And I can't find any policy reason to choose him over Hilary (I don't count the war- he wasn't in the Senate in '02, and their policies going forward are identical.)

So I am forced to agree with the "an intensely gifted child whom we are rooting for and hoping doesn’t fuck up" comment. To that I would add a paraphrase of "Swingers"- Obama is the rated PG candidate, and Clinton is the rated R candidate. Be the rated R candidate, baby!

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870082 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870082 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:34:44 -0800 Comment by Hal @10:
Sooooo, please answer me this: Why's yous got Lincoln on such a pedestal?

]]> Hal http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870083 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870083 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:37:05 -0800 Comment by jhell I think Obama's first four years of presidency would be solely to secure his second term. I could be kidding myself, but I think Hillary is more likely to make significant changes for this country sooner. And I do agree she will become more liberal once she gets into office.

]]> jhell http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870102 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870102 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:50:10 -0800 Comment by J. Lasser I find myself despising Hillary and Obama about equally. I sort of like Edwards, but seem to find myself preferring Bill Richardson. Probably because I haven't been as overexposed to him.

]]> J. Lasser http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870142 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870142 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:29 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Of course, support on Tuesdays is all that counts.

I gave up supporting Obama over three incidents. He has ambition and charisma and that's it.

He is plainly not driven by policy (as is Clinton) or justice (as is Edwards). He's just a charismatic, young, ambitious guy. Kind of like Bush -- just smarter (and black and progressive).

But, it strikes me, fundamentally like Bush.

We really don't need another Bush.

]]> Jonathan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870182 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870182 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:52:44 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Oh the incidents were:

His support for ex-gay McClurkin; campaigning on "fixing" social security; and the Obama Campaign's attacks on Paul Krugman for daring to point out that Obama's healthcare plan is the worst of the main democratic contenders.

Yeah. We always attack people who speak truth to power. It inspires audacions hope.

]]> Jonathan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870190 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870190 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:55:30 -0800 Comment by max solomon the dem nomination will be in the can by the time we have anything to say about it.

i really wish cascadia could secede. fuck em.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870237 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870237 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:37:53 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @6 is right. Most of us are pretty happy with all the Dems this time. It's only the Repugs that don't like any of their choices.

Sen Clinton will make a great US Supreme Court Justice during the Obama/Dodd presidency (although I think an Obama/Richardson presidency will be more fun).

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870344 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870344 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:04:56 -0800 Comment by Bauhaus Wonder what it'd be like having a president who actually needs the salary and could use the lifelong pension after his/her term?

I will be in So. Cal over the holidays, Christopher. Where's that rave, again? (Actually, I'm old enough to remember when Rave was a hair product).

]]> Bauhaus http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870420 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870420 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:01:27 -0800 Comment by magdaddy I am pretty convinced that if his wife weren't running, Bill Clinton would support his old comrade Bill Richardson in a heartbeat. The man's been in Congress, been on a cabinet, traveled to countries like North Korea and Iraq to secure prisoner releases (he looked Saddam Hussein in the eye - before he was dead - and made demands) and now, running New Mexico, has a reasonable immigration stance and has fought to secure health care for the residents of his own state. So why is he so far down the list of likely candidates? When I look at Obama, I see Richardson lite. If only Bill would start campaigning...

]]> magdaddy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870718 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/conversations_about_presidential_politic#c870718 2008 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:08:22 -0800