Slog - Comments on Anti-Duck Commiseration http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration This morning brought this letter to my inbox: Hey SLOG! My name is Walt Sherman and I'm in charge of the Philadelphia "Shut the Duck UP!" campaign. We are fighting to quiet down the duck boats and make them stop disrespecting everybody. We have a blog and also an online petition. I recently read Public Intern Steven Blum's article, Assignment: Yell at the Ducks, and I was hoping to get in touch with him. I thought you guys might be interested in how quieting down the ducks is becoming a NATIONAL movement (check out www.stoptheduck.com!). Also, I wanted to... Copyright 2008 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:35:28 -0800 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:05:53 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe ...

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876960 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876960 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:43:03 -0800 Comment by ohgosh Oh PUHLEEZE.


Bitch about ___________
No NOW LET'S BITCH ABOUT _________
ok now we're on to bitching about _______

OHHHH WHAT A WORld!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> ohgosh http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876961 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876961 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:44:25 -0800 Comment by Jason Josephes I won't sign a petition for issues that actually affect people. Why would I give a fuck about whether or not people ride around on a lame tourist trap tour?

]]> Jason Josephes http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876966 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876966 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:47:57 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Um, what's wrong with the Ducks, exactly?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876967 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876967 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:48:29 -0800 Comment by chompski Um, what's wrong with the Ducks, exactly?

People have been bitching about the ducks for ages. Read Slog much?

If you don't think there's anything wrong with the Ducks, that's your opinion.

]]> chompski http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876973 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876973 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:57:00 -0800 Comment by Clint Sorry. I am too busy working on my campaign against cheese.

]]> Clint http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876978 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876978 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:59:18 -0800 Comment by cochise. yeah, seeing people having fun sucks.

]]> cochise. http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876981 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876981 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:01:57 -0800 Comment by Hernandez I liked the suggestion to attack them with water guns. I've softened my former militant anti-duck stance, but I still think they deserve some good-natured harrasment. If they want to be loud and obnoxious, play bad music and mock me while I walk down the street, they'd best be prepared for a little payback...

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876982 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876982 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:02:44 -0800 Comment by OR Matt The Boston Ducks are hella worse ... furthermore ...
who the FUCK cares. It's the type of obnoxious shit tourists love ... let them have it.

]]> OR Matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876984 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876984 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:05:00 -0800 Comment by Greg @9: A water-gun ambush set up at strategic intersections could make a good time for both the tourists and the anti-Ducks militia.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876985 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876985 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:06:01 -0800 Comment by Ziggity When are we going to stop the geoducks?

]]> Ziggity http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876986 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876986 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:06:42 -0800 Comment by Rotten666 Sounds like the shitheel condo owners who move to Belltown and complain about the noise from the nightlife. Move out of the city if idiot tourists having mindless fun bothers you so much.

Fucking assholes have to complain about everything.

]]> Rotten666 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876987 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876987 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:07:02 -0800 Comment by flamingbanjo Wanna stop the ducks yelling at people? It's simple: Wait for whatever godawful anti-noise resolution the council passes to become law, then document one of the drivers saying something through the little loudspeaker that's audible to somebody standing ten yards away, then fine the ducks $1000 for the first offense and $2000 for the next one. Rinse. Repeat.

If everyone cooperates, we can live in a city where nobody is having any fun of an audible nature anywhere at any time.

]]> flamingbanjo http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876991 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876991 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:09:08 -0800 Comment by David Schmader I'm neutral on the Ducks, but thought it was interesting that others were so passionately anti-.

My favorite Duck-related lore involves a punitive practice undertaken by legendary former Stranger writer Kathleen Wilson and her girlfriends. Whenever any of them re-slept with old boyfriends they knew they should avoid, the punishment was a ride on the Ducks, alone, in shame.

For this reason alone, I support the existence of the Ducks.

]]> David Schmader http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876992 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876992 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:10:04 -0800 Comment by elenchos The ducks are are a Young Republican fratboy wet dream. They are Tim Eyeman's schmaltzy souvenir watches on wheels. They are symbols of colonialist tourism and utter disregard for the environmental context.

They are so much more than merely annoying.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876994 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876994 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:10:42 -0800 Comment by rtw The pro-duck lobby is out in force today.

]]> rtw http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876995 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876995 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:10:58 -0800 Comment by Rotten666 That story just made my day Schmader.

]]> Rotten666 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876999 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c876999 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:11:28 -0800 Comment by tsm The Ducks are evil! They're big and silly-looking and are full of people we don't know! They elected Bush! They piss in my coffee! They killed the radio star and melted the polar ice caps all on their own!

Look, you live in a large city, with tourist attractions, and those duck-riders from the sticks keep a portion of your economy going. Either move out to Bellingham or get the fuck over it, ya pricks.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877002 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877002 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:15:02 -0800 Comment by elenchos That's what I meant about the Young Republican aspect: as long as it makes a quick buck, we have to embrace it.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877009 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877009 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:22:04 -0800 Comment by Hernandez @10 - yup, that's the general idea: express one's duck-related frustrations with a little random mischief that all parties will, in the end, enjoy. I'm thinking we could dress up like homeless people, camp out in Westlake park until a Duck cruises by, then BAM! A barrage of super soakers pointed at the tourists and their vaunted tourist dollars...

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877022 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:29:13 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I love the Ducks and I live in Fremont.

In fact, I like to wave to them.

Why can't we have public transit ducks from the UW, Wallingford, and Fremont to South Lake Union - it would make more sense than trolley cars and we could build new ones that are bio-diesel ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877026 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877026 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:32:05 -0800 Comment by tsm Please, elenchos. The ducks' imprint on public space is relatively minor. They are tour buses. You have to embrace it because part of living in a big city is coexisting with lots of people who aren't quite like you. Which, ultimately, is what the anti-duck Seattleites are so horrified by.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877032 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877032 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:34:53 -0800 Comment by chris They're totally dangerous to pedestrians. The driver has a huge blind spots. They distract drivers. They can be deafening. And they're obnoxious.

]]> chris http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877036 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877036 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:37:40 -0800 Comment by Laurel Just you wait, we're going to have duck buses when 520 and the viaduct are closed for construction at the same time.

]]> Laurel http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877043 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877043 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:55 -0800 Comment by oljb In Pittsburgh, the ducks mock us plebians as we wait for the bus. The most satisfying anti-duck activity is to yell "Quack, Quack Mother-FUCKERRRRRRRR" at the duck. I really don't see any point to removing the ducks even though their riders/drivers grate on my nerves after a long day. But I think heaping them with profanity is fair game. After all, they ride the ducks to get a sense of urban ambiance, right?

]]> oljb http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877046 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:42:15 -0800 Comment by Julie I didn't realize Ducks were so widespread... I wonder why we don't have them here in Chicago? Eh, I am too lazy to find out.

]]> Julie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877048 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877048 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:42:52 -0800 Comment by Katelyn @13 GENIUS. I don't live downtown, but I do get annoyed at those shrieking Duck drivers.

]]> Katelyn http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877058 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877058 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:48:01 -0800 Comment by mackro mackro i was anti-duck for about a month when i first discovered them because of the notion of people paying to ride around to look at people living in "an interesting city", which in essence can make some pedestrians feel a like they're in a zoo.

then i realized a few things:
* who cares. mo money mo money
* i guess people in each of these cities do kinda live in analogous zoos if you take a mudedesque approach
* really. who cares. mo money etc

however, if you really must sabotage a ducks experience for people, it's easy. just go out as a hobo, then just drop your pants and take a dump when a ducks boat goes by. the latter may get you arrested but sometimes you have to risk something for true sabotage.

i'm not brave enough to poop for a duck yet.

]]> mackro mackro http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877073 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877073 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:00:22 -0800 Comment by Le Grand Guignol We need to bring back the time-honored tradition of vitriol.

]]> Le Grand Guignol http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877074 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877074 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:00:54 -0800 Comment by mackro mackro actually drop the hobo part. just proceed to Step Poop.

]]> mackro mackro http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877076 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877076 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:01:12 -0800 Comment by it's ME When I found myself strapped into a giant twenty passenger dune buggy tour of the Oregon Dunes, I knew it was essentially Ride the Ducks on sand and I was deeply, deeply ashamed. The driver would honk at ATVers who would wave at us while I cringed. But it was the only way my 77 year old grandma could experience the dunes, and it was actually fun. What I'm saying here is give Ducks a chance.

]]> it's ME http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877134 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877134 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:45:00 -0800 Comment by todd Some people just need to bitch and complain for the sake of bitching and complaining.

I live in Fremont, on 34th, so I see the ducks all the time. Are they annoying, yes, do I want them gone, no. WTF people, the ducks are a tourist attraction in themselves, and that's what brings people to this city in the Spring, Summer and Fall. Do you want Seattle to be dead and boring (like it is now in the dead of winter), or alive and vibrant? I'm not saying it's the ducks that make this happen, but they do play a part in making Seattle a fun place to visit. I've never riden the ducks, but I sure the hell tell everyone who comes for a visit that they should.

Lighten up, fuckwads.

]]> todd http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877145 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877145 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:52:20 -0800 Comment by SEATTLE NATIVE Hey transplant fuckwads-

the ducks need to go.
the loud, obstructive harassment needs to stop.
you need to find something else to defend.

]]> SEATTLE NATIVE http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877151 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877151 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:57:32 -0800 Comment by Tlazolteotl You mean that the Ducks are a national threat? I had no idea, I thought those were just a local menace!

]]> Tlazolteotl http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877178 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877178 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:15:29 -0800 Comment by chris HEY LISTEN UP

I designed the "le canard non" mark as a gag gift for a friend of mine. Sure there was annoyances felt in the past with what they do, but it was mostly out of humor that it presented itself. I ended up printing stickers and t-shirts and sold them online for a time. It was fun seeing peoples reaction to this project.

Then my friend turned malicious and decided that due to the failure of our other project and the animosity that it created, that he would post my artwork online for anyone to download and print. I was angry at first, but then thought "Why not" as long as my creative copyright was maintained I have no problem giving up my work for fun. Recently he started selling t-shirts that source my work, and this is a problem of copyright infringement.

]]> chris http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877183 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877183 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:17:25 -0800 Comment by Gomez I'm no fan of the ducks but these guys are like the 9/11 Conspiracy people.

]]> Gomez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877202 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877202 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:28:32 -0800 Comment by oljb 33-

Fuck Nativism, you fucking nativist.

]]> oljb http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877203 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877203 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:28:48 -0800 Comment by David Schmader Chris at 35: Let me know your last name and I'll credit you below the image.

]]> David Schmader http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877213 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877213 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:34:35 -0800 Comment by David Schmader Also: Re: Your story: That sucks, especially since your design is the wittiest and most stylish component of the entire anti-Duck movement.

]]> David Schmader http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877215 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877215 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:36:17 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe @35

Ooooh! I'm going to download and print these!!!

Pfffffffffftttt.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877217 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877217 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:37:18 -0800 Comment by elenchos No reasonable person would look at the practice of yelling at and harassing people minding their own business as being nothing more than a tour bus. It's obvious to anybody that riding around in a bus, of whatever weird design, is one thing, but the the uninvited insults are something else.

Talking up tourism as a green industry is 20 years out of date. Jetting to Seattle is dirty and unsustainable, and if we can make the tourists stay home, the planet will be better off.

No honest person would trivialize how bad the ducks are. Unless there were some powerful influence making them say these absurd things.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877224 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877224 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:44:44 -0800 Comment by tsm You've found me out, elenchos. I am indeed accepting checks from the all-powerful duck lobby to write my Slog posts. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the bank, taking care to whistle loudly and cheerfully as I walk, and thus make every native Seattleite I pass seethe with rage, compelling them to write scathing posts about me on their blogs as soon as they get home.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877232 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877232 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:51:37 -0800 Comment by elenchos That's not funny.

Just because you're sarcastic about it doesn't prove that they're not paying you off, does it?

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877235 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877235 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:56:32 -0800 Comment by PdxRitchie If you're gonna mention that girl Jessica again, I think you have to repost pictures of her. That way everyone, uh knows who you're uh talking about.

Yup.

]]> PdxRitchie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877281 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877281 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:32:16 -0800 Comment by w7ngman Meh.. I usually just flip them the bird.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877293 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877293 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:38:08 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I still think Jessica is way hot, @44, so I agree with you, even if ducks are not a prob in my book.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877310 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877310 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:48:44 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV A Japanese 75 mm field artillery piece should be able to stop them readily.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877314 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877314 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:51:02 -0800 Comment by robin i was kayaking in lake union when a duck came by. All of the tourists were seriously pointing at me and quacking like i was exotic wildlife or something.

]]> robin http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877349 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877349 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:12:11 -0800 Comment by elenchos Is it our good looks that attracts the obnoxious duck harassment? That would explain why some people don't mind them so much.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877355 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877355 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:18:03 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I like chompski@5 asking Fnarf if he reads the SLOG much. Classic.

Oh, and another vote for bringing Jessica back.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877381 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877381 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:40:09 -0800 Comment by Charles I am over these duck mobiles going around town and telling the same bad jokes day after day. Get some new jokes or get out of town alright? You guys got my support!

]]> Charles http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877386 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877386 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:42:09 -0800 Comment by Big Sven elenchos-

"if we can make the tourists stay home, the planet will be better off."

Just not the 60,000 people in the Seattle area whose jobs depend on tourism. But by all means, e, let's just get rid of all the industries that you don't think justify their environmental footprint. Please submit a list and we'll just shut those down this weekend.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877388 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877388 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:43:48 -0800 Comment by elenchos Those 60,000 people could get jobs figuring out how we are supposed to survive after we have destroyed the planet with all the carbon from useless jet travel.

Jobs are important. Who wants to be against jobs? But who wants to be against having a habitable planet?

Poor Jessica. She thought being beautiful was a blessing, until she found out that she'd be quacked at by fat people from Indianapolis who are killing the Earth.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877398 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877398 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:51:29 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @51 - hey, they got a writer's strike to continue with, have a heart.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877440 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877440 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:13:30 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Glock glock!

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877493 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877493 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:47:51 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave elenchos, why do you hate travel so much? what are you, amish?

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877589 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877589 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:07:15 -0800 Comment by elenchos Travel is not a green industry, that's all. If you work in travel, your shit stinks too, and you shouldn't pretend it doesn't.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877597 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c877597 Life Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:24:57 -0800 Comment by Lee Gibson If loving to travel means that I can't be environmentally conscious, well then screw the environment.

(I happen to think that's a false dichotomy, but I am sure of which side of the dichotomy I'm on. Screw the trees, I'm going to Paris.)

]]> Lee Gibson http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c878756 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/12/antiduck_commiseration#c878756 Life Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:05:53 -0800