But what about the growing numbers of gay parents out there? Would we be within our rights as parents to chemically alter our childrenís sexual orientations?
Sounds like instant population control to me.
Sweet lord let me be dead before society has to deal with these issues.
Just think, soon you can turn your gay kids into zombies.
Ain't life under King George just peachy?
If your completely straight (or gay) it doesn't seem like you'd have much interest in experimenting with it. If you're already interested why take a pill?
My brain aches.
Love is just a lazy generalisation
that we use for 100 different feelings and as many situations
going through each others pockets is not like us
and flattery will get you somewhere
and your happiness is just a chemical
-- Darren Hanlon
Speaking as someone who had his parents send him to straight camp to reorient me and "regulate" my sexuality, I think any attempt by parents to change their child's sexual orientation whether it be in the womb or when the child is 6 or 16 is simply wrong.
Most children lack the autonomy to make their own decisions regarding their mental or physical health (see Jehovah's Witnesses), but for parents to make that decision for them because they view homosexuality as an illness violates all medical and scientific ethics
oh, ag. this can't be going anywhere good.
Nevermind that humans are a hell of a lot more complicated than fruit flies.
All straight women would take the drug! I just know it!
DON'T DRINK THE WATER!
As a young queer growing up in a conservative household in Eastern Washington, I would have given anything for this drug. But now that I've become a grown-up, or at least as close to a grown-up as I'm likely to get, I wouldn't want to be straight.
"Teirney wonders if straight and gay people alike will want to use these drugs to manipulate their sexual orientations."
Damn, I hadn't even thought of that. And, I really would. Have you seen all the pretty, sexy feminine boys wandering around in skinny jeans? It's so disappointing that there's a penis under there.
-Not quite bi enough to stay turned on when the pants are off.
i like the idea that it's a switch. it could get confusing for parents that way.
Boy, I'm glad I'm already bi and don't have to worry about this.
...oh, except for the horror it will unleash on the rest of the population.
Iím straight and I would definitely do it recreationally, at least once or twice.
@1. Thereís a science fiction novel written in the 70s (The Forever War) where a drug like this is used for population control/selective breeding. Not the main focus of the novel, but an interesting detail.
One fascinating point is that this all would force pretty much all religious types to concede that Homosexuality is biological and not choice, right?
And ohhh how much of it I would slip in to straight-dreamy mens' drinks.
(from 19 -- not really. I love my partner wayy to much to change anything. But someday for myself to have children? Maybe......)
I highly doubt that this treatment would work for a vastly more complex human mind where sexuality is wrapped up with identity and personality. And if something similar could be created, it would undoubtedly fuck you up in other ways just like any other mind-altering drug.
I think this needs some research from Ask Science!
As a terribly confused and unhappy closeted teenager in the late 1970s, I would have given an arm for a drug to make me hetero. For real.
This can only end badly.
I feel that the only morally acceptable use of a human version of this drug would be recreational. Never again would the words "This bar is such a sausage fest, let's go on to the next one" be uttered. Instead, "Bartender! Two Orientaritas!"
so when will they turn on the switch that makes chicks want stutering fat guys in glasses ?
Dude, I would totally go for that. I have such deep envy for bisexuals, since they can look at the entire world as a sexual smorgasbord, something that would be made even easier if anyone you were attracted to could have their orientation flipped.
Additionally, mothers like my own, who is fucking ecstatic that I'm gay, would love to have the option of turning straight sons gay. She would also fund research into how to turn gay sons into drag queens. I'm a major disappointment to her in that I dislike doing drag.
ooooo i didn't think of the recreational use. i'm sorta bi but hell i'd try it anyhow. i'd rater be a girl for a day tho. far more interesting
Turn me off!!! I'm tired of sucking Kokk!
Hetero on "ladies night" and Homo on "boys night". Never again do you have to enter a bar unprepared unless you happen to meet the wrong sex later that night.
Yay! CURE for overcrowding!! When everyone is gay all babies will be wanted!!
That said, I am happy in my orientation, thank you.
I'd want my kids to be gay. I hate breeders.
I'd feed it to my boyfriend. I never can get him quite drunk enough to make out with shirtless boys.
Using a term like breeder in a derogatory manner basically shows Mr. Poe to be pretty much a contemptible person. That's too bad. And, Mr. Poe, if your parents had not been breeders, where would you be. Basically I really don't like the use of derogatory terms. So keep your hate to yourself and spare me and countless other humans who have kids the bad-mouthing.
"Mr. Poe, if your parents had not been breeders, where would you be."
I don't know. Was that a question? Where do you think I'd be, you moron? Not here. Which is something most would consider to be good.
It was a FUCKING JOKKKKEEEE. Gawl!
This was totally my slog tip yesterday. I'm a little bitter Dan and by a little, I mean a lot.
perhaps I'm too literal. I was serious, though, about derogatory terms - I think we can discourse without resorting to slang and slurs. And if we can't I'll answer your next retort by stating outright that I do have the freedom to NOT read Slog. But you're usually much funnier.
@ 17, it might make their heads explode.
What does this drug mean for raging bisexual folk like myself? Is it gonna just... turn us on to everybody EVEN MORE, making us something of a sexual force to be reckoned with? Or will it do absolutely nothing.
One thing for sure, it would weed out those true hets bis and homos that wear opposing labels, would'nt it!
Well I'm confused, chas. How could you possibly find anything I ever say to be funny if you turn around and take a comment like #30 super butthurt serialz?
Although @24 was perhaps being only partially faceteous, it does bring up an interesting point.
Assuming such a drug could be developed, given the higher complexities involved in human sexual attraction, it makes sense that someone, at some point would experiment with tailoring the drug, basically turning it into the much sought-after "universal aphrodisiac", which would basically have the effect of making anyone - at least temporarily - sexually attractive to anyone else.
So, the end result would be a form of sexual liberation unseen since the advent of female birth-control, wherein all sorts of previously-not-attracted-to-each-other people would be going at it like rabid lagomorphs.
THAT should be one interesting future...
Mr. Poe, probably cause I'm over sensitive to being a parent and a guy with all the bad dads out there and all that - like I said, perhaps too literal plus - for a change - you hit one of my hot buttons. Being a good parent is a real challenge, raising kids today is a real challenge - no matter what flavor one is. Being a good parent is costly in money and time and - alas - most parents probably aren't that good. So, I'm fighting two fronts here - the whole parent thing and the whole tolerance thing. You're sarcasm and wry humor usually work for me - probably the headache I've had all afternoon - something about pressure yanks (way down two days ago, way up today).
On the other hand, I'm into relatively benign recreational chemistry and this sounds like it "might" be relatively benign. If nothing else, it would give insight into a lot of perspectives and yearnings - wouldn't it? I'd probably take a test pill or two. I wouldn't submit to waterboarding, though. Or want to be the target in a feces-flinging contest, either.
1) Owen briefly explored the orientation flipping idea on Torchwood with an alien pheromone spray and--of course--hilarious results.
2) Being gay or straight is about a helluva a lot more than just who you fuck.
I love and respect my female friends, but I have no interest in forming a romantic relationship with any of them. How does this sciency dude account for that, hmmmm?
Well, if there's something out there that might make me 'suade for women, maybe there's something out there for kids who don't like their vegetables. Just sane...
@41 Great points since orientation is so much than who you want to have sex with. It is who feel that you want to spend the rest of your life with.
Where can I score this stuff?
Where can I score this stuff, and when will it be made into a pleasing, unisex fragrance?
Where can I score this stuff in a Roofies form?
Neil Gaiman wrote a short sci-fi story about a drug that allows people to switch sexes overnight.
As a straight man, I am, of course, often in the position of being simultaneously horny and feeling too lazy to deal with the extra red tape in heterosexual mating. Hell yeah I'd go temporarily gay.
Dan, didn't you just do a podcast about how humans are not affected by pheromones? Since they seem to play a role here it seems unlikely that it would work on people.
This seems to me all about a chemical response to Pheromones. I am sitting at home here and there are no Pheromones anywhere near me and I am attracted to men so changing my conditioning to Pheromones would only put me in the position of possibly being stimulated by them but in my brain still attracted to men. It is not going to change my brain and the way I was born.
One of the first things I thought of was a quote from The Simpsons:
Bart: Mr. Smithers, I always thought you were, you know...
Smithers:(Laughs)No, I'm straight, as long as I take these injections every ten minutes. (Injects himself.) I love boobies!!
It may be naive of me, but I feel like once homosexuality is reduced to a switch that any hetero or homo can toggle on or off, the whole point of discriminating against either side will sort of be moot.
But more importantly, have these scientists located the genes that will turn bottoms into tops?
And would this drug instantly cause a swishifying effect in the hips?
@38: It would also be one hell of a date rape drug. :P
Yeah how would that work?? Honestly the thought is kinda scary... I know a lot of gay men who crave my boyfriend, but consider him off-limits because he's straight (has nothing to do with dating me, I guess...) One slip and suddenly he's left me behind for cock.
*Sigh* I'm not sure I want to deal with a world that wants to fuck so much with my biology. Just leave me as I am people!! Just let me exist without wanting to pump me full of drugs every other day to fix this tiny abnormality, or this minor personality quirk. Let us all worship at the mighty altar of science...
Okay, this is interesting "BUT CAN WE MAYBE WORK ON FINDING A CURE FOR CANCER!"
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