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Dianne Feinstein has failed us.
Failed progressives. Failed Democrats. Failed Californians. Failed Americans.
As the world watches, you want someone to take a stand. To hold Senator Feinstein accountable. Now.
That's what Courage Campaign members overwhelmingly told us after Senator Feinstein's pivotal Judiciary Committee vote to approve Judge Michael Mukasey as U.S. Attorney General -- a man who refuses to acknowledge that "waterboarding" is torture and will look the other way if President Bush ignores the rule of law. The Senator's vote condoning torture closely followed her vote to approve Judge Leslie Southwick to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit -- a man with a clear record of condoning racism and gender discriminaton.
Whether it's condoning torture, racism or homophobia, Senator Feinstein's actions are unacceptable.
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...thanks, Patrick.
Anyway, all I know is that Barbarians are awesome and Mississippi sucks. So I'm still torn with waterboarding.
Yes, but we weren't a fascist state back in the 1920s, so the analogy doesn't really hold up.
How is it this is just coming to light now? Seems pretty relevant.
its WAS torture in the 20's. BUT 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING.
so now its whatever dear leader says it is.
Waterboarding is torture. Plain and simple. You can dance around it all you want, but it is torture by anyone's definition.
First, torture doesn't work. Any "information" derived from torture is unreliable at best. If you waterboard me, I'll confess to raping baby kittens on a daily basis. So will you. Even if you completely ignore the moral issues of torture, simply on a practical level, it is an ineffective method of obtaining useful information.
Second, how can you ignore the moral issues? Part of the premise of the constitution is that even people we disagree with and even criminals deserve a basic level of human dignity and civil rights. Torture does not figure into that picture in any way. This nation should be above torture. When we torture prisoners, we give up any right to call ourselves a civilized nation. We become a nation of barbarians.
Of course waterboarding is torture. Everybody knows that. Bush knows it. Mukasey knows it, but can't say so, because if he did it would open the door for Fearless Leader to be charged as a war criminal.
And if Feinstein doesn't know it, she's too fuckin dumb to be tolerated. Yeah, get her the hell out of there before she does any more damage.
Why does no one ask the obvious question, whether we would object if this were done to our troops?
I vote that whoever is FOR waterboarding (as not a torture) be made to UNDERGO waterboarding! See how quick our congressmen and politicians change their minds!!! Ha ha! Yeah!
Um.... Hm. Sounds fair to me.
not if done consensually
Why does no one ask the obvious question, whether we would object if this were done to our President and/or Vice President?
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