he seems to be doing this a lot lately.

*waiting

Jesus christ, Poe. It's noted, but don't you have anything better to do?

Why doesn't the Mayor just cut to the chase and ask the WSLCB to reimpose the Eighteenth Amendment?

@3

Yeah, but I do 'em all at the same time. Forgive me.

That place sucks though.

It;s a little piece of belltown/fremont in Capitol hill and belltown/fremont sucks!

Watching Nickels, and having done some reading about Giuliani recently, I'm starting to wonder if having an authoritarian streak a mile wide is a necessary condition to be elected mayor of a major U.S. city.

Seems like Sugar's having their fair share of problems after they went from being a gay club to a straight club. Maybe karma's a bitch.

Maybe the Mayor should just close all the straight clubs?

I get the objection to holding a club accountable for violence that happens OUTSIDE the premises. But inside? Should operators who can't get their shit together enough to keep the gunslingers on the other side of the door get to keep selling liquor to the public?

Guns don't kill people. Nightclubs kill people.

I wonder if it would have happened if they'd stuck with the Slog commenters' name choice instead of 'Sugar'.

I'm against irresponsible nightclub owners who hand out guns to rowdy, intoxicated patrons!

Hey # 8

Your comment that the straights are ruining the location is not fair! Or accurate. Read on:

There used to be a gay club before Sugar and before Spintron in that very location... They had African Queen (or something Afo-Centric)night every Sunday until... Ahem, the owners decided to close the night down- guess why? Fights. Fights and someone kept stealing the tip jars...

See! Queers can be mean too! Well black ones anyway...

@* - Sure you're right. Being that karma favors gays and all.

My favorite part is how the club owners always play dumb. They advertize a thug-like environment, they appeal to the violent side of the hip-hop crowd, and then they act totally surprised when violence happens in their club.

@14. that's racist to say that. please don't stereotype gay blacks as theives and violent people. I'm black, gay and take offense to that. It's bad enough that we get grouped in with those stereotypes as well as other stereotypes that the media portrays, such as being mostly HIV+, unemployed, and uneducated. On top of that having to deal the racism in the gay community, especially in Seattle's cliquish gay community. I have yet to go to a gay club in Seattle that has hip-hop and rnb night ("afro-centric" as you call it) and see or hear about the tip jar getting stolen. As for fights, I've seen my fair share of fights happen at the gay clubs. Most of them have actually been among the lesbians that go there. And it's not just "blacks". I've seen white girls fight as well. As for the gays and lesbians that cause the problems at the gay bars, it always appears that they're from Everett or Tacoma.

But back to the focus of this article, Sugar's wasn't making any money on most of the gay nights except on Friday night from what I've been told. Unfortunately, when they started catering to the str8 crowd, that left one less option for the glbt crowd to have on the weekend. If you look at the trend of the clubs on the hill on Pike and Pine, with the exception of the Wild Rose, most of the clubs on Pike are straight and most of the bars and clubs on Pine are gay. Neighbour's is the bridge between the gay and str8 bars.

When shootings happen on the street, they should close down the street. It's the street's fault!

Mental Note:

Get drunk on the new streetcar so that Mayor Gridlock shuts it down.

wasn't this an all ages night?

To #17

I reported it as me and my friends SAW it! If I was a racist do you think I would be at "African Queen" night- a night singled out specifically for members of the black community? And with my friends no less? All I know is there were always fights (I witnessed at least 3) AND my black and Latino bartender friends complained that the tip jars kept getting stolen- things that never happened on other nights of the week including Latino night... After a few months of stolen tip jars and brawls amongst the black patrons the owners shut "African Queen" night down. Anyway- just reporting it as I saw it...

O RLY?

Then maybe it's your liberal use of the term "Nig Nog" that clues people into your racism.

@6: When was the last time you've been to Belltown or Fremont and saw anything like Sugar there?

IMAdrgQ, you're the same douchenozzle who keeps posting "No Nig-Nogs for me!" every time Barack Obama comes up. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

Folks shoot in the night club, arrest those folks. Period. We need to all call the Mayor's office and tell him what one commet said here, "shooting on the street, close the street". Closing the club is collective punishment and it's wrong.

And speaking of racism. Any of hipsters see Avenue Q yet? check it out and get into the little tune about rasism. That will shut your mouths real fast! It's so Cute.

whats wrong with sterotypes anyway? most of them are based on fact...of course there are always exceptions to the rule..

a persons pigmantation is'nt the problem...it's there culture

yes "nig-nogs" are the problem...but there are probably more white niggers then black niggers
I met plenty of civilised black people who are by no means "niggers" and a shit ton of white people who were

excuse my liberal use of the term "nigger" where I come from it's used to describe any ignorant cro-magnum peace of shit...black..white...asian.whatever
in fact the biggest niggers i ever met were those middle class white kids who forsoke class and eduaction to "keep it real"

only upper income/middle income whites who grew up in clean cut white neaborhoods who never had to worry about getting jumped by thug worshiping black kids/ white kids worry about use of such language.

why does our culture worship such "nigger" behaviour? like scarface or thug life....
if they have no tolerance
why should I?
why should I worship before the alter of guns,money,rims and who can win a petty pissing match.

as soon as folks get together and stop acting like a bunch of petty infighting "niggers" we can take o the real people who keep the poor down
white and black./...
just my culturalist,ignorint,over educated white trash 1 and one half cent

excuse my liberal use of the term "nigger"

Um, no.

for linus at 26:

yeah it's those white thugs, and"ignorant cro-magnum peace of shit" that IMAdouche is refering to when talking about Charles Mudede and Barak Obama. Yeah thats it, couldn't be the fact that these men are smarter and more successful than IMAtrollassbigot ever could hope to be.

Stop being an apologist tool for bigotry. It's stupid and the kind of thinking that one should be ashamed of. Back to the toolbox for you.

why the hell should i be ashamed of myself?I've been ashamed of myself for one reason or another my whole life? while I was growing up in the south I was attacked and alienated by white kids for standing up for my black friends from the country...i come up north and see what the african american community has degenerated to...I'm called a raceist, probably true...i dont hate them for being black...just dumb and violent...is there another word for that?

I think what i think
I observe what I observe
probably am a raceisti guess you my black friends dont count because there "uncle-toms" who dont rob , steal smoke crack and thety read books...yup there painted whities the whole way

what happend to the black community...going from the militancy of the 70's to the self destructiveness and self-parody it is now

as for "nigger' I guess i was supposed to use the word "nigga' was int I?

scre you northern pretentious/boursque ethni worshippers

Linus @ 26 & 29

Listen to yourself. You sound like an idiot.

Oh, yeah, I feel you bruh. It's not like you're calling anybody a "heartless nig nog with no soul."

All your black friends can't change the fact that you're a racist.

If you have any friends at all it's becuase they don't know how you really feel. This is a small town that can get really lonely for maldjusted piece of shit like you.

Get right.

you're illiterate to boot. Back to the cave, tool.

@19: If that works, people will be trying it on the Viaduct next.

ucking Racist Nanny Liberals Are The Hot New NW Phenomenon

love your screeen name...whatever...there arent enough black people around here anyway for any one here to have a decent opinion on them other then what they get fronm the media or collage campus dogma

if your not a hipster piece of trash who thinks for themselves and tows the line of conventional dogma...no matter how out of touch it really is...then you dont belong

almost makes me want to vote republican
or move back to florida....ewww ...maybe not...how about YOU move to florida...then we'll be on an even keel

"heartless nig nog with no soul."
who the hell said that anyway? i cant seem to find it here...i need to know the context

this conversation is now utterly pointless. People don't change people's minds on slog. They just wring 'em out.
Moving on...

frediuan slip....I meant doesint think for themselves...hipster fasion obbsessed piece of trash who doesint think of yourselves

anyway to paraphrase jim goad....saying your not racist is like saying you like ice cream...no argument there, no balls required.....and while I dont consider myself a racist...to be a racist you have to irrational have to dislike a person by the pigmentation of there color..regardless of the content of there character...I cant help but despise certain cultural groups.....gangsta rappers and self styled "niggas'(white or black) are one of them. and if you cant understand the nuance because it does int fit into a simple convenient dogma or ideology you skimmed from the media or in between bong hits in university then I'll do you a favor which you'll surly thank me for:
I'll shut up...along with the rest of the silent, resentful minority...those who think rationally

Holy shit.

How the hell did this all happen?

Oh. "linus". Dude, what a moron.

The very practical and canny mayor is winning BIG TIME in the court of public opinion.

Meinert, where are you? what do we do- the drunks are killing people - Two bars are out to dry in two months.

Need to talk some sense into the coked out club owners.

I have to say, as a former employee, even for a brief time... I feel some vengance in hearing about this. While I feel sorry for the people shot, who wasn't doing their job and let in someone with a gun... and this doesn't happen at gay clubs for one simple reason... GAY MEN AT CLUBS ARE TRYING TO FUCK EACH OTHER, NOT SHOOT EACH OTHER!

Plus, the owner of Sugar used to own the Down Under, and look how well that did! And he's a douchebag... karma, indeed, is a bitch!

First: Linus, you're a racist tool. You should think hard about that.

Moving on, what is it about certain bars that people feel like they should bring guns in? There is never a time when guns and alcohol are okay. Not even hunting.

The owner of Sugar owned Down Under,
As he was coming out of the closet he really wanted a gay club that he could be out and open and have a place to meet boys. He wanted Sugar to be his transitional place.
He hoped for a whole lot of closeted bisexuals like his past self to have a club they could go to and still be "straight" if they wanted to be or to be sneaky gay.

It makes me think that days of stabbings and rapes at Medusa were not so bad,
I can't remember anyone getting shot inside the club.

To @ 24

No Nig-Nogs for me!

LOL!

Thanks for your cyber stalking efforts- I'm flattered. Kisses!

I thought "Nig Nogs" were people who didn't like the holiday drink known as egg nog.

I'm a gay, white boy from the midwest..

I've considered myself a nig nog for years!

I hate that nasty drink.

it's as bad as grandma's fruitcake.

Linus @ 33

Hipster? In my experience some of them are just as racist as you but whatever. You're quick to talk about dogma and party line but what do your posts read like?

In that entire comment of mine, at what point did you think you'd actually gleaned anything from my background?

Bitch and whine about lily white Seattle and how the South is so much more of a qualifying back ground for opinions of race all you want, I'm willing to take the Pepsi challenge of qualified opinions with your silly ass anyday.

I've said it on here before nad I'll say it again, I am from a fucking real Metropolis that has had one white mayor and one white police chief in all of my 35 years. White people are a minority in Los Angeles. I've lived in Seattle for 7 years and growing up I was one of the only whites in the schools I went to. I'm not xenocentric. My rtacial integrity is completely in tact. I have always proudly stood on these two white feet and I'm guessing they've seen alot more action than you.

Nonwhites do not make me nervous. I'm speaking to you from experience. You will never have an even keel and I wouldn't touch America's limp dick with with your beaters. Florida's your problem.

Hey man, you're clowning yourself. Just stop. Seriously. So far you've proven that you're a Southern rube who is prone to assumption, quick to judge and totally racist. This really isn't the place for you is it?

Stay on your grind, Wally George. We love a good laugh around here.

Oh, Linus ...a Jim Goad reference? He's just cashing in on the only stock in trade he has in the market of personality. I'm a better writer and I'vbe done more time in harder yards than he has. I'm not even a little impressed.

Besides that, you're misconstruing that dude's whole swagger and you think you're actually getting it.

You want to read some real fucking senbsible whiteboy shit? Check for Edward Bunker's Education Of A Felon. Anyway. Sideways, Featherwood. You don't know shit and you embaraass me. You're 20 years behind. Seriously.