That first quotation is partly accurate. Most African Americans don't support "free" market theories or limited government. What's up for debate is whether those policies are sensible.
Erica, you are correct on all things ... except for your support for Edwards and your love of Frito pie.
He sure knows the truth about things- I'll give him that!
Let's make it Ron Paul vs. Barak Obama. That'd be one hell of a show.
When I first saw the Ron Paul banners popping up in unlikely places, I tried to talk sense to some of his boosters. No luck. He seems to have attracted a whole constituency of paranoid third-party geeks who like him because of how little they know about him. You can't burden them with information any more than you can reach the committed Nader or Larouche supporters. Like those groups, the Ron Paulies will soon fade into obscurity.
Wow, I'd like to hear what the Ron Paul supporters say about this.... Personally I would never even consider voting for Ron Paul for many reasons, and I believe these statements indicate he's a racist. However, I also think some of his statements are objectively true. I've been mugged or attacked several times in Seattle and other cities, all by black males. If it is true that black males commit crimes out of proportions to their numbers, then it seems that sensitive people who are not racists realize that there are reasons for this, but it doesn't make the statistics false, and people shouldn't be afraid to point this out in a sensitive way.
FINALLY a candidate I can fully support! Ron Paul for America!!!
Andrew Sullivan has the response from the Paul supporters on this on his blog. Sounds far more sensible than the smears would like to believe. I love that Paul is causing so much consternation among the republicans and now apparantly the dems too. I'm not a supporter, but I love that he has them all running scared. If the right wing noise machine is any indication they are almost as afraid of him as they are Obama.
He is not just saying that African Americans commit more crime. he is arguing that Afican American children who commit crimes in gangs are somehow more guilty than a White child who did the same thing
thats great! elect him and follow him as your leader but don't expect any minorities to do ANYTHING at all for this country. If you want a white world...fine....then you whites do all of the work, maintain your country's infrastructure, police yourselves, and everything else. No, the minorities won't leave. we will just sit here and make you do all of the work. This is what a WHITE world really means. you people can't have it both ways, white supremacy AND minority hard work. You hate us...fuck you, tough shit. It is already this way for me...I mean I have a white garbage man, a white mail deliverer, a white mechanic. the way I see it you people are the ones serving me. Ron Paul is going to be the leader of all of you white slaves who are soon to be the minority in america.
Anti-environment, anti-women's rights, and a racist. I don't understand any liberal's fascination with this guy. He's the Ross Perot of 2008.
Those views on race actually might make me a supporter of this guy. I happen to pretty much agree with them based on my own personal experience as an adult.
yeah. a white supremecist is just a white slave by day and a supremacist by night. These guys are all low wage service workers who make minimum wage serving minorities by day with a smile on their faces and then behind their backs talk shit. The only supremacy they will ever see is being promoted to head toilet cleaner from urinal maintennace
His views on race don't matter because, lets face it, this country is going to be minority white eventually and whites are simply not going to be needed. If whites want to exclude everybody, who cares. the minority communities will prosper and the whites will live in secluded ghettos. that is how it is now. white supremacists congregate in the poorest areas. So if you want to be a white supremacist in the modern age, fine...thats ok. You can go live in the white ghetto with the rest of your kind
Where are all the white power loons coming from HERE ON SLOG?
You "pretty much agree" that 95% of the black males in DC are criminals? Shit for brains.
Jebus, i got to start a blog of my own, apparently all you have to do is keep recycling everyone else's stories, even after they've been debunked and proven to be false. Paul never said those things about blacks and they are completely opposite of the philosophy and politics he's advocated for the past 30 years, the guil-by-association stuff is already addressed by Sullivan and Raimundo. Please take some of your own advice and research before you recycle this crap.
Who is NAMBLA endorsing?
Um, okay, I think your facts are bit off. Ron Paul never said those things. They were written by a ghost writer who was fired for making racist statements in Paul's newsletter.
Paul has denounced racism in his writings.
If he were a racist he would be more supportive of policies which defacto punish minorities such as the war on drugs. The fact that he isn't says a lot about the guy.
Instead, his views on race are sort of old fashioned - he prefers to think of Americans as having more in common than we have different.
A lot waco racists support Ron, but they fail to recognize that Ron does not share their extreme views.
His supporters act like Brown Shirt Bullies - each time I have seen them- what a turn off.
He is a nut case. And all the mal content are grabbing hold.
White supremacist groups aren't supporting Ron Paul because of a few racist comments. His entire platform is a white supremacist cream dream. He wants to eliminate Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education, federal student loans, hate crimes legislation, and all other federalized social protections.
Ron Paul paid for the education and living expenses of his five children during their undergraduate and medical school years. Do you think if Ron Paul were black he would have been able to do this? He wouldn't have even been allowed to go to the college he went to if he were black, and his family would have likely had no money due to the legacy of slavery which ended just 70 years before he was born.
He also said (paraphrasing) "The Civil War didn't need to be fought. The north could have just bought all the slaves and freed them."
Let's hope he is the republican version of Ralph Nader.
A lot waco racists support Ron, but they fail to recognize that Ron does not share their extreme views.
I call bullshit! Why has Ron Paul been going to militia-movement meetings for years and years? He's one of the "black helicopter-UN invasion-gold standard" racist conspiracy types. It isn't just that some nuts support him, it is that he has always considered himself one of them.
Lots of info on this over on Orcinus, folks!
Erica shows us where she keeps her heart in her very second line:
"Hey, look! Ron Paulís true constituency..." Emphasis mine.
And why is is her Paul's "true" constituency? Because Erica wants it to be that way, of course. Or, rather, she just knows that the racists at Stormfront are Paul's peeps. Of course, anyone attempting to point out the prevalence of jew-hating African-Americans in Cynthia McKinney's clique is a racist and should be ignored, but defining an entire politician's movement by the fringe is totally legit. If you're liberal. Or, you know, Erica.
Why am I not surprised.
Where did all the sudden racism in SLOG comments come from?
if this isn't evidence of how much ron paul oversimplifies things...
Yay! The Ronbots are here!
Also, I sent you guys this tip WEEKS ago. That endorsement came out quite some time ago. There's a pretty horrifying video to go with it.
Oh, and as for the racists on Slog, they come from the same place all the misogynists do. They're they're all the time, right inside many progressives who would never consider themselves racist or sexist but would also never want to subvert or challenge their own white male privilege. Look, they'll get mad at me for even suggesting they have it.
While I personally think that Ron Paul is a nutjob (yes, the war is important, but it's not so important that the only solution to the problem is to dismantle our government), isn't what James@19 is saying basically what the Obama camp claims they're doing in regards to the McClurkin bullshit?
The interesting thing is that the quotes are fake. The interesting thing is the number of Paulistas who say "hey, I agree with that".
i don't recognize the "names" of the racist posters.
It would only be fair to note that he specifically denies actually saying these things himself, or sharing these views. Even if his claim to it is a little questionable. And even if he clearly gives a big ol' stiffy to people who really do think those things.
Anyways, it doesn't matter. Paul's a loon, his supporters are loonier, he will crash and burn, and in the best-case scenario he runs third-party and steals the nutty black-helicopter constituency from the GOP. He truly is the new Perot.
But then, Perot was a good thing. Perot put Clinton in the White House.
Wow, look at the TRUE BELIEVERS who will believe any piece of garbage the neocons put in front of their noses. Ron Paul DOES NOT advocate racism in any way. You have your facts incorrect. I will be telling everyone I know that THE STRANGER advocates neocon viewpoints which border on communism. Your magazines are now 100% garbage. It will be fun tossing your magazine in the garbage from now on.
@33 - exactly. And Paul may put Clinton in the White House, too.
And LOL @ "neocon viewpoints which border on communism."
It is sad that the formerly liberal THE STRANGER has attracted the sloth of the neocon party to its web site. This is evidently part of an obvious neocon plan to spread misinformation amongst the Seattle crowd. Ron Paul is clearly the Seattle candidate of choise -- skew and distort Paul's views all you want. Except you forgot one thing -- Seattlites are far more savvy than you give them credit for. These are the same people who put bashed the WTO. They will bash you, too, you neocon a-holes. We don't want any part of you in this town.
Fake quotes or not, the message rings true... Just hang out for 15 minutes on the corner of 3rd and Pine (Mc Donalds). Make sure you bring a notepad to count how many drug deals you see, fights, threats, other criminal activity (of the "do you wanna buy a (insert name of stolen item here)?" Or better yet, take the # 7 bus from downtown into the Rainier Valley around 6 or seven at night. Truth is truth my friends...
THROW YOUR "THE STRANGER" MAGAZINES AWAY. DON'T ACCEPT THEM IN YOUR STORES OR PLACE OF BUSINESS. THIS BLOG IS PROMOTING ANTI-AMERICAN VIEWPOINTS. THIS BLOG REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF CORPORATIONS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUALS. BAN THE STRANGER FROM SEATTLE'S STREETS! SPREAD THE WORD!!! RON PAUL IS THE BEST CANDIDATE THAT HAS EVER HAPPENING TO THE USA. JOIN US AT http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/ TO LEARN MORE, OR VISIT http://www.ronpaul2008.com. WE ARE 65,000 STRONG ON MEETUP.COM ALONE.
THROW YOUR "THE STRANGER" MAGAZINES AWAY. DON'T ACCEPT THEM IN YOUR STORES OR PLACE OF BUSINESS. THIS BLOG IS PROMOTING ANTI-AMERICAN VIEWPOINTS. THIS BLOG REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF CORPORATIONS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUALS. BAN THE STRANGER FROM SEATTLE'S STREETS! SPREAD THE WORD!!! RON PAUL IS THE BEST CANDIDATE THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO THE US. JOIN US AT http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/ TO LEARN MORE, OR VISIT http://www.ronpaul2008.com. WE ARE 65,000 STRONG ON MEETUP.COM ALONE.
@34 & 36-39
i guess ron p doesn't support recycling?
do you have any idea what that does to the environment?
I take the #7 bus into Rainier Valley every day and come home in the eve on the same bus. You must be some kind of con-tard pansie, because I am white and I love the black people on that bus. You should try living in Los Angeles sometime, you wussy.
Vote for Ron Paul in 2008!
Because there's nothing more American than censorship!
And now all the Ron Paul nuts. How are these people finding this place?
Good point, Fnarf and TSM.
Geez, all it takes is the mere mention of "Ron Paul" on a blog for the crazies to come running.
The whole Ron Paul thing is a little baffling to me. I mean, I get that he seems to be a man of consistent character, who may be different from the typical pandering politician. And that he was/is against the Iraq war and the "war on drugs".
But... his extreme libertarianism leads to some views on policy that don't seem like they would be appealing to people in Seattle. The free market should take care of the environment? Pro-life? Anti gun-control? etc., etc.
Also, what is it about him that is attractive to the crazies? In my parents town of 10,000 in central Illinois there is this guy that stands by the interstate every day holding a Ron Paul sign. He is, well, a total nutjob. Seems like he and Sandra J. could be buddies.
Barry @ 20 had it pretty much right, malcontents, with very eerie echoes of brownshirts.
their fear and mistrust of society at large bespeaks the maturity level at which they operate.
see any of the "paulbots" posts above...
jkjk (and your other names here),
Why yes there is something more anti-American than censorship (Ron Paul is against anti-Constitutional behavior of any kind, including censorship -- we simply advocate a boycott of THE STRANGER).
What could it worse? How about using a public forum to spread disinformation about a presidential candidate in an effort to stop people from voting for him? That's not only anti-American, that's flat out COMMUNIST. Taken directly from the Communist Manifesto.
Your lack of ethics and your character are showing for all the world to see on this blog. I hope your readers are taking notes. You even seem to want to skew my posts, as well. Tell me, who the hell do you advocate to run this country? I'm sure you've picked a real winner! LOL!!!!
@43 : Digg. Friend to internet loners everywhere.
WONDERFUL BLOG, STRANGER! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY ATTRACTED EVERY NEOCON MOONBAT NUTJOB ON THE PLANET TO YOUR BLOG... YOU WANT CRAZY? TAKE A LOOK AT THE PAID NEOCON MISINFORMATION SPREADERS LIKE THE ONES POSTING HERE. ONE PERSON, MANY IDENTITIES. HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU TO DO THIS? BECAUSE YOU SUCK AT IT! LEARN ALL YOU WANT ABOUT RON PAUL AT HTTP://WWW.RONPAUL2008.COM... YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAZY TO ATTACK RON PAUL, IF YOU'RE A FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICAN.
Scientology bullies = Ron Paul bullies = Brown Shirt Nazi bullies
Yuk and puke to all of the above from a very true blue American vet.
Assuming the quotes are fake, I don't quite understand the vitriol against Paul here.
The libertarians have a lot right. They have some shit seriously wrong, too, but I'd rather vote for him than any of the other Republicans. If I were going to vote for a Republican, which I'm not, but. . . just sayin'. :)
90% of what I'VE personally heard Paul say made a great deal of sense to me.
I'm most bothered by the fact that the Paultards obviously don't know what a neocon is and aren't very selective about USING THE CAPS LOCK.
Wonkette just instituted a blanket ban on Paultards. PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF IT.
@52 - But it's CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME!!!!!
I am 100% behind the candidacy of Rue Paul. It's about time we had a big black drag queen for president. What? RON Paul? Oh....Nevermind!
[gargle gargle cough] But he's still for legalizing pot though, right? [cough]
Oh look, a comment on Ron Paul's supposed racism from Erica C. "Handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to ride the bus and won't it be nice once they're running white rail through my neighborhood and the poor people and minorities who I currently share the bus with will be forced to move" Barnett.
As far as I can see the fact that Ron Paul makes certain Seattle "liberals" shit all over themselves is just one more reason to support him.
Oh, and by the way, I find it interesting that Erica and the other "liberals" who are so freaked out by Ron Paul don't seem to give a shit about the fact that none of four major Democratic candidates for president, Obama, Dodd, Biden and Clinton all of whom are sitting senators could be bothered to vote against the confirmation of Michael Mukasey or that two prominent members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senators Schumer and Feinstein decided to vote for his confirmation. It seems that Erica C. Barnett and quite a few SLOG readers are OK with enabling torture or refusing to stand against it as long as you're a Democrat and are in favor of big government programs.
"the fact that Ron Paul makes certain Seattle "liberals" shit all over themselves is just one more reason to support him."
coming from you wile_e, that means nada, 'cause you're a tool. one who claims to think outside of the box, but that's not possible, 'cause tools, like you, don't think.
I love all the puppety posts trying to look like crazy Ron Paul supporters. Methinks there's a couple liberal types having fun with the anonymous postings.
All that said, I would love to see what would happen if Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian this time. He's got a lot more momentum than he did way back when, and I bet a third-party Ron Paul candidacy could really fuck some shit up. DEATH TO THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!
All that said, I still want Richardson, Obama, or Edwards to win.
Sad how The Stranger is pro-neocon, especially since Seattle is such an anti-neocon town. I wonder how that happened?
Index Newspapers? Well, I will be writing your advertisers and letting them know what you stand for over here. If you're against democracy, your advertisers should really know about that. Skewing and distorting basic information about presidential candidates is pretty un-American.
"Skewing and distorting basic information about presidential candidates is pretty un-American."
Bullshit. It is part of electoral politics, and especially American political tradition. It goes way back and is often done by the candidates against their opponents. What kind of candyland delusions of political purity are you living in? No one is above it, even your sainted PAUL.
I am an antifascist Ron Paul supporter. I fought nazi's growing up on the Ave in the 80's in Seattle. You all sound like small minded PC ninnies. I am a proud skinhead fighting Hebrew studying liberal supporter of Ron Paul. If all you whiners have your way we will be living under a PC dictatorship. How dare you mock the only antifascista candidate as a racist. Shame on you. Peace.
Speaking of fascists... sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Glad I don't work over there at the new pro-fascist Stranger HQ...
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Your personal freedom depends on journalists being objective and fair. If the press strays too far from their job, democracy fails. You seem to be okay with the failure of democracy. You unwittingly support the end of your own freedom. Corruption in politics must be kept in check or there will be no more politics... there will only be a dictatorship.
failure of democracy?
Please get real, the idea you and other Paul supporters have of democracy, is what's skewed. Objective and fair, in this society? yeah right. Objectivity is bought and sold on the airwaves, in the name of "free speech". Money like religion, poisons everything.
But the libertarian mantra which uses facile notions like "freedom" is a disguise to justify greed, inequality, and dominataion over resources and people.
I also don't depend on the press for my freedom, a free press, at times isn't always objective. What do you think scares a dictator most? I'd posit it is a press that is free to be ideologically opposite of the establishment.
Freedom and Democracy are the goal, not the hammer to be used against those with less means.
I hope you find while at University, that theres more to history than whats in the textbooks.
I'm not a big Ron Paul fan, but I think you owe your readers more than reprinting rumors you find online, even if it is the Slog. Especially when the rumors are old, have been addressed and are most likely false. Seriously, how much time did you spend looking into these rumors before you posted?
There are plenty of legitimate problems with the positions RP takes without having to make up things. Sloppy and unprofessional work ECB.
Eh. His supporters are the LaDouchebags of the 21st Century. He'll get single digit results in the primaries and then his cultists will bother people for a generation.
Paul's past racial statements are troubling, however all the other GOP candidates
current policy proposals (e.g. nuke Iran, expand Guantanemo) are terrifying. Also, slamming a candidate or policy by listing his/its weirdest supporters is lame, examples: 1) we can't do XXX because that's what Al-Queda wants! 2) lesbian man-haters support Hillary! 3) the Pope favors JFK! etc. etc. Who cares what insane people want? Are you really so insecure of your own rationalism that you can't have any position in common with a loon? Given the number of weirdos in the world, this should prevent you from taking any position whatsoever.
All these racial accusations are just a pathetic attempt to slur a good man. they have all been debunked elsewhere.
This country is on the brink of disaster and this is a chance to actually get an honest man in the white house.
Remember, he is constitutional, so he will restore the checks and balances to the government and give it back to the people.
There will always be plenty of opposition to some of his more extreme liberterian leanings to keep the course of the country moderate.
Otherwise, with the other choices it's business as usual and our country becomes a runaway truck going downhill fast.
in the spirit of faux news- "Some people" seem to want the destruction of this once-great country, starting with our civil rights and monetary system.
You know that when people accuse you of prejudice they accuse themelsves also. I'm not saying that being a racist is Ok, but somehow I would prefer to be a racist sometimes than to pretend to be perfect all of the time.
Give yourself a reason to let your hatred be your own business, an vote for Ron Paul.
What a pathetic bunch of responses.
"Ron Paul is a nut."
"Ron Paul is a kook."
"Ron Paul is a racist."
None of you have spent any time researching how and why Ron Paul votes the way he does, and believes the things he says. He believes in 'Freedom' and he will back up every one of his positions with 'reasons'. Which is more than can be said for most of you.
There's barely a cogent argument anywhere in this post and these comments. That's right. Join the MSM and repeat all the crap they're feeding to you. Or, why don't you listen to what Ron Paul has to say for 10 minutes, and then come up with a
'reason' not to like him besides blatant slander.
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