Slog - Comments on O They Will Know We Are Christians...

Comment by Mr. Poe

Mr. Poe — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:47:06 -0800

23-year-old minister? Sick. That's absolutely sick.

Comment by Carollani

Carollani — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:48:40 -0800

You should put all of these in a book, Dan. It blows my mind how often you can post "O They Will Know We Are Christians..." entries.

Comment by monkey

monkey — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:50:27 -0800

Religion sucks

Comment by Wowzaa

Wowzaa — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:59:12 -0800

@2 - There's already a book that explains why these things are all perfectly acceptable. It's called The Bible. Don't leave home to molest or rape without it!

Comment by Carollani

Carollani — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:03:06 -0800

@4 - Sure, but... The Bible isn't as fun to read as one of Dan Savages books.

Comment by Greg

Greg — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:44 -0800

@4: I call bullshit.

Comment by June Bee

June Bee — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11:58 -0800

Hey Dan, when I was in Chicago over the summer, I was in the frontyard watering plants for my cousin while she was at work. The next-door neighbor and I started talking over the fence, as he was sitting on his front stoop clipping his toenails. It came up that he was gay, and works with really bad AIDS victims in a hospice, often children. He's familiar with your books, I told him I met you a couple of times. After about 15 minutes of chitchat like that, we spent the second half of our conversation talking solely about this weird fetish of injecting one's ball-sac with saline so it enlarges to something like a small watermelon. What's up with that?!

Comment by infrequent

infrequent — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:23:32 -0800

i wonder why the church would hire a registered sex offender. at 23 the offense couldn't have been that long ago. of course, ireland didn't abuse his position at the church when committing his crimes.

Comment by cunei4m

cunei4m — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:26:58 -0800

Yes...he used the "SAME TACTIC"...which when picking up prostitutes is usually, "How are you?...Care to spend some time?...Want to go somewhere?...Need some company?" or simply flashing some money...don't think it was that hard to do... Or perhaps he's got a really slick, innovative, fail-proof method and *THAT'S* why they won't release the details!! (Not to downplay this...rape is horrible and should not happen under any circumstances)

Comment by infrequent

infrequent — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:54:26 -0800

yeah -- saying he lured the women is a bit disingenuous. they women wanted to get into the car. it wasn't until later that they would come to regret their decision.

it's not like you need to paint a worse picture of this guy -- he's a knife wielding rapist. on the other hand, it is appropriate (and nice to see) that they are rightly treating the prostitutes entirely as victims in this case. to focus on the chosen profession of these women trivializes the gravity of ireland's actions.

Comment by Judah

Judah — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:57:14 -0800

You will know we are urban liberals by the fact that we use exactly the same tactics that we claim are intellectually dishonest, exploitive, and hypocritical when employed by our political opponents.

And just as a point of order, Dan, your excuse for this behavior, that Christians are distinguished from all the special interest groups you belong to by the fact that they alone claim to be the source of all morality and that people can't be moral or just, let alone "saved", unless they're Christians -- that excuse plays about as far as your constant admonishments that all closeted queers are cowards and, "Don�t dig density? You�re not green. Period." You do, in fact, believe that your way is the only way -- and the only moral way -- on a host of issues, you boring fucking hypocrite.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:58:27 -0800

"Lured" is correct. He attracted the women into the car under false pretenses -- they thought an act of prostitution was going to occur, not an act of rape.

What you're saying is like if I was kidnapping and murdering children on Halloween "well, they WANTED to go to the door".

Comment by NELBOT

NELBOT — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:00:45 -0800

$10 says the little fucksock thought he was perfectly justified and did nothing wrong becasue the women were immoral sinners.

Comment by infrequent

infrequent — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:21:20 -0800

fnarf, hmmm... in that case, i wouldn't say you lured them to the door with halloween candy, as that is a normal activity they were intending upon doing. maybe you lured them inside with promises for more candy.

that's interesting. i've always thought lured involved persuasion of some sort. someone doing what they intended to do requires no persuasion.

i mean, which is more correct:

After he lured them into his car..

--or--

After picking up the women...

Comment by subwlf

subwlf — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:22:41 -0800

They might not have been prostitutes. I used to hitchhike all the time when I was a teen...
Let's not jump to conclusions.

Comment by Madge-YoursoakingINIT!

Madge-YoursoakingINIT! — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:01 -0800

But does he have a big dick?

Comment by Greg

Greg — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:33:18 -0800

@9, 10, 12, 14: Attempting to define the circumstances under which the women got into the car seems pointless considering that he raped them at knifepoint. It doesn't really matter why they got into the car, just that they did and he then pulled a knife.

Comment by Anna

Anna — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:35:15 -0800

@15:
Maybe not all of them. It just says that it was a spot where prostitutes hung out. Odds are that most of them WERE prostitutes, but some of them could've been regular women who just happened to be walking down the street in a bad part of town.

Comment by infrequent

infrequent — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:41:52 -0800

@17. yes, the significant part of this sad story is that this man is a rapist. for that he must be held accountable (if/when proven guilty). to say, however, that the other details do not matter, or that language used is not important, is not true.

Comment by Wowza

Wowza — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:39:14 -0800

@6 - Ask me what I think about people who use the phrase "I call bullshit". Go on. Ask me.

Comment by David Wright

David Wright — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:06:50 -0800

The previous convictions were probably for screwing with mannequins behind a closed door in some department store.

Comment by Carollani

Carollani — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:17:46 -0800

@20: Golly, your internet threats are so scary. Your comment was poorly phrased and full of fallacies. I call it bullshit.

Comment by Wowza

Wowza — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:32:45 -0800

@22 - Nobody threatened anybody. But congratulations - I now find you an ever bigger idiot than I did him. True talent always makes itself known.

Comment by Alex

Alex — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:33:45 -0800

I'm looking forward to this wingnuts conversion... to Christianity. Damn!