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<description>From some mosquito at Artdish: Charles Mudede&apos;s arguments are themselves too reliant upon the &quot;association&quot; theory that he posits in his Slog post. Perhaps this is because he has spent so much time pouring over the writings of Hegel and his intellectual descendants. Like most of the Continental philosophers who have followed him, Hegel&apos;s idea of argument was to make every phenomenon a metaphor for his theory and then extrapolate this theory into a metaphor for everything else. This takes me back twenty years to when I was a college sophomore. At that time, I could not write a paper...</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:28:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Lake</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>From the who?</p>

<p>No source?</p>

<p>This isn't your own little billboard for personal responses.</p>

<p></p>

<p>plus, he or she is right. you suck and I'm embarrassed to lend my eyeballs to the advertising that pays your salary. </p>

<p>Stick with your pontification amid police reports, and get a day job kthx.</p>]]></description>
<author>Lake</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840923</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840923</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:26:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sammy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think that character from Artdish is spot on with his analysis of you.</p>]]></description>
<author>Sammy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840927</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840927</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:29:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by The Baron</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yup. You fail.</p>]]></description>
<author>The Baron</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840934</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840934</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:35:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by No, Charles. Nooooo!</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, Charles -- you're ridiculous. This Artdish of which you speak (why no link?) has you nailed: these days, only college sophomores in the Duke English Department can get away with one-note Marxist critiques of, well, everything. Bragging about your education only confirms Artdish's point -- that you're far too insistent on proving, over and over again, just how smart you really are, really. Most people outgrow that, no matter their academic pedigree. Could you please, please stop being a pompous asshole before I quit reading Slog just to avoid your self-impressed bullshit? Kisses!</p>]]></description>
<author>No, Charles. Nooooo!</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840964</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840964</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:58:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by morgan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should all retire to the comfort of your cubes and stop talking trash about things you clearly know nothing about.  Get back to what you do best, wasting time on the corporate dime... let it lie, you're blathering is more boring than watching oatmeal congeal.</p>]]></description>
<author>morgan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840974</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840974</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:07:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He nailed you. This is was a headshot that connected and killed. </p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840986</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c840986</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:16:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by charles mudede</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>this will come as a surprise to you people, and the idiot at artdish, but i actually do sustained and researched work in marxist theory. the slog, however, is not best venue for that kind writing. this is a blog!</p>]]></description>
<author>charles mudede</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841009</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841009</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:34:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The Enemies of Mudede do more to make me feel more smug and superior than all the non-vegetarians and men who have abdominal fat sculpting in the world combined.  Those who hate Charles Mudede make me feel special in a way that I can only compare to the way Ayn Rand's fans make me feel.</p>

<p>Thank you all.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841010</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841010</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:35:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Joselito</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Did you seriously just type the words, "You people?" That is so bourgeoise. How's that for Marxist theory? </p>]]></description>
<author>Joselito</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841012</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841012</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:37:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by laterite</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Enough with the seemingly virulent Mudede hate already. Don't read his posts, simple enough!</p>]]></description>
<author>laterite</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841019</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841019</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:39:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jamier</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I only have a vague idea what "Hegel" and "Marx" and "art" are, but I still enjoy every one of Charles' posts.</p>]]></description>
<author>jamier</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841032</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841032</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:46:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jamier</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>PS <a href="http://www.artdish.com/ubbcgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000425" rel="nofollow">link here</a> because I was curious</p>]]></description>
<author>jamier</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841033</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841033</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:46:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by MvB</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>...the slog, however, is not best venue for that kind writing. this is a blog!</blockquote>Compare to Woody Allen in <em>Bananas</em> adressing a crowd of Rotary senior citizens while wearing a Castro beard and fatigues:<blockquote>This uh this reminds me of the joke ah about the peasant farmer who had incestuous relationships with his daughters simultaneously...[beat, reaction shot of unsmiling crowd]...this uh this may not be the best crowd for this kind of joke!<blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>]]></description>
<author>MvB</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841079</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841079</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:20:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by cracked</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'll take a Mudede post over a Brittney's naked pussy post any day!</p>]]></description>
<author>cracked</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841094</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841094</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:26:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Kevin Erickson</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>i like charles.  i like marx.  the stranger needs more class-consciousness overall.  More marxism!</p>]]></description>
<author>Kevin Erickson</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841097</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841097</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:26:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Irena</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Haters suck. Mudede rocks.  </p>]]></description>
<author>Irena</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841108</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841108</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:32:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>True dat, Irena.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841162</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841162</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by gnossos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>yep.</p>]]></description>
<author>gnossos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841233</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841233</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:00:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Clint</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I like Charles' posts...  He needs some help understanding Kubrick, but the posts are weird and sometimes beautiful.  </p>

<p>Plus, I'd also like tap Britney Spears' ass.  I don't care if people think it is chunky.    </p>]]></description>
<author>Clint</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841297</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841297</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:05:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by baker</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Charles, please just the stfu.  Why don't you go back to education so you have a real pulpit to convert your little mueduede'ians.</p>]]></description>
<author>baker</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841334</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841334</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:59:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Donovan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Intellectual = Artificial. Always.</p>

<p>Please don't try so hard. You're naturally a genius. Just use your own mind instead of recycling dead men's thoughts. And extrapolating ivory-tower "book smarts" to falsely rationalize things that need no explanation because they are thoroughly inconsequential? That's also a rather bad habit. You can do so much better than...</p>

<p>You know what? You're right, Charles. This is a blog. Who cares what you write here? Save your good stuff for actual publication.</p>]]></description>
<author>Donovan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841339</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841339</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:23:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Peter</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why is a blog not an appropriate venue for "sustained and researched work in Marxist theory"?  What is the appropriate place, an academic journal read by no one?  Also, do you think it's even possible that the guy's criticism of you had nothing to do with race?  </p>

<p>I admit to being one of the perhaps majority who feels slightly noxious when I read the phrase "Marxist critique" or esoteric references to existential philosophers.  But I do occasionally enjoy Mudede's posts even if I don't take them too seriously.   </p>]]></description>
<author>Peter</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841369</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841369</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:22:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Peter</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I meant "nauseous"!  Maybe I need do need to go back to school!</p>]]></description>
<author>Peter</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841372</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841372</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:27:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by SeMe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The idiocy of the blogger class.</p>

<p>Carlitos Marx</p>]]></description>
<author>SeMe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841413</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841413</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:07:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by crinkletoes</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles is fantastic. It's not his fault if some of the people who read him feel like mental midgets afterwards and must profess pure hate just to assauge the frustration with their own dinosaur brains. </p>]]></description>
<author>crinkletoes</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841574</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841574</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:05:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ries Niemi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"mosquito", ehh?</p>

<p>I would suggest that a "mosquito" on the internet is someone who anonymously posts smartass quips, while using a funny, phony name and without any history, address, or credibility.</p>

<p>The person Charles is slagging here, however, is far from a "farnf" or "Mr. Doe".<br />
He is an actual person, namely, Jim Demetre.<br />
Unlike a mosquito, he has been writing criticism for various Seattle papers, including the Stranger, the Weekly, Reflex, Aorta,  and the Dailies, for longer than Charles has been rewriting police blotters. He has been writing and editing a serious discussion of art and culture online, Artdish, since 1999, a bit longer than Charles has been posting tittie shots with cryptic comments on Slog. He is far from an "Old Bean", is personally present at many Seattle arts and literary events, is imminently approachable, personable, smart, funny, and credible.</p>

<p>So who here, exactly, is the "mosquito"?</p>

<p>I am unsure what exactly Charles means by "people who look different than you"?  Its true, Jim  is somewhat slimmer than Charles- perhaps he is complaining about discrimination against the portly? Or is this a veiled accusation of racisim?</p>

<p>Charles, one of your frequent tactics is to refuse to acknowledge the reality of anyone else in your discussions- by refusing to use actual names, you avoid having to deal with real people, with their histories and accomplisments, and can instead swing at straw men of your own devising, ignoring any comments in  return.</p>

<p>You have set yourself up as a public intellectual- this is a european concept, so I am sure you are aware of what that means. I am happy to see this, as I think the USA, and Seattle in specific, is pretty anti-intellectual, and I welcome serious discussion of topics like class and culture. But as a public intellectual, you must expect that others will discuss and debate your pronouncements- in forums both formal and informal. Artdish is one such forum, serious and silly by turns, but as I mentioned,  a place where since 1998 locals have discussed these things. <br />
Not a haven for "mosquitos", but an ongoing, serious discussion of art and culture. When commenting publicly on these things, you must expect to be publicly commented on.</p>]]></description>
<author>Ries Niemi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841665</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841665</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:22:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by croydonfacelift</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles, what exactly were you "pouring over the writings of Hegel," anyway?  </p>]]></description>
<author>croydonfacelift</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841709</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841709</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:23:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Carolyn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles reminds me of the  <a href="http://web.cornell.edu/studentblogs/alex/?p=74" rel="nofollow">Andy Bernard </a> character on <b>The Office</b>. </p>

<p>"Did I mention I went to Cornell?...Oh by the way I went to Cornell....Yes, that was Cornell." </p>]]></description>
<author>Carolyn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841884</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/fighting_words#c841884</guid>
<category>Arts</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:28:31 -0800</pubDate>
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