Slog - Comments on Discovery Institute: Ripping Off Harvard's Computer Animation? http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards Over at Horse's Ass, Goldy directs our attention to a blog complaint about a video used in Discovery Institute presentations to dazzle audiences into thinking natural selection couldn't have produced complex cell processes. Turns out the video is the short version of "The Inner Life of a Cell," an animated film originally produced by Harvard University and partner animation company XVIVO. (Watch an ABC News report about the project.) The Discovery Institute opted out of the long version, with its science-heavy narration. Instead, it added its own voiceover interpretation of events--listen for loaded words like "motors." So is it wanton... Copyright 2008 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:22:17 -0800 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:40:38 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Bellevue Ave sue their asses!

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855489 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855489 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:33:41 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV Clearly both products were the result of the same Intelligent Designer, thus disproving evolution.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855503 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855503 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:35 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Actually, Harvard and other major institutes need to sue them.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855514 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855514 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:18:14 -0800 Comment by idaho It's fair use. The narration accurately said what the parts were, and they never said, and here's when god created the motor. I think it's fair use. Just b/c they come to a different conclusion doesn't mean they're violating any copyrights. Are they making lots of money off it? Was that a free seminar?

]]> idaho http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855519 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855519 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:24:39 -0800 Comment by idaho Wow. The long version + narration was pretty impressive. And yet it only covered one tiny event in a human body. No wonder the discovery institute guys used it -- they have so little imagination about what potential their god might have.

]]> idaho http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855538 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855538 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:47:27 -0800 Comment by Dr_Awesome Know what would have made it even cooler? A miniaturized Raquel Welch, wearing a skin-tight wetsuit and being attacked by antibodies.

]]> Dr_Awesome http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855540 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855540 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:50:50 -0800 Comment by N in Seattle Annie, posting it for educational use means using it without changing anything.

As in not writing your own script to replace the one that's already there. As in not stripping off the copyright notice.

]]> N in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855560 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855560 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:16:11 -0800 Comment by annie @7: Just to clarify: They didn't replace the script; there's no script in the short version. They did strip off the credits (there's no copyright notice per se) and add a supertitle. I'm no lawyer, but I agree, it seems dubious.

]]> annie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855578 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855578 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:29:59 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @7 - as opposed to the obvious satire and parody that Intelligent Design is.

ID is just God's way of saying She thinks Neocons are fools and dullards.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855580 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855580 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:32:00 -0800 Comment by infrequent isn't parody allowed?

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855606 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855606 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:54 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle That was my point.

The sad thing is they're so deluded at the DI they don't think it's a parody.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855709 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855709 Science Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:32:56 -0800 Comment by M'thew @8 - In the last seconds I read at the bottom of the last shot of the original:
(c)2006 The President and Fellows of Harvard College

Isn't that a copyright notice?

]]> M'thew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855883 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855883 Science Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:14:08 -0800 Comment by annie @12: You're right; I must have stopped watching too soon. That's the one Dembski claims to have retained (see my post above) but I don't see it in the presentation version, do you?

]]> annie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855937 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/discovery_institute_ripping_off_harvards#c855937 Science Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:40:38 -0800