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Zing!

Posted by Carollani | November 1, 2007 10:14 AM
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More AMC posts. Yes please.

Posted by kid icarus | November 1, 2007 10:28 AM
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Re "Rudy, if the dress fits, wear it…"
I don't think Democrats should be allowed to gaybash Republicans and get away with it. It was ugly when Kerry and Edwards tried to reduce evangelical support for Cheney by repeatedly bringing up his gay daughter, and it's ugly for a Democrat to knock Giuliani for cross-dressing. (His terrible record at disaster response preparation should be enough, post-Katrina, to torpedo his campaign.)

Posted by Eric F | November 1, 2007 10:48 AM
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Why should any reference to Giuliani's public cross-dressing be construed as gay-bashing? No thinking person thinks he did it for anything other than laughs and political tractability with the "hip" crowd.

The reference is more to highlight how silly his campaign is when all is considered.

Posted by NewYorkGuy | November 1, 2007 11:12 AM
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Ana Marie Cox is cute and all- o.k. very cute- but if she wasn't cute nobody would care what she says. If you put her comments in written form and posted them to the Slog, they would be met with a resounding thud and the sound of crickets.

ECB makes more interesting arguments for things with which I disagree than Ana does for things I wholeheartedly believe.

Posted by Big Sven | November 1, 2007 11:15 AM
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I don't give a shit about wearing women's clothes. I do care about his absolute addiction to power, secrecy and control. Seriously, Giuliani makes Nixon look like a raver hopped up on E. He was like that in New York -- where he allowed his basest instincts to undo much of the good work he did earlier in his term, culminating in the episode where he drove his police chief out of office for appearing on the cover of Time, and the shameful episode where Amadou Diallo was shot by police, and even the Vice-Mayor was stopped and searched by out-of-control irregular police.

I'm also not thrilled by Giuliani's constant calls for more and better torture.

Guiliani has absolutely no ideas on how to deal with the issues that will face the next President besides comically exaggerated versions of every one of Bush's worst tendencies. MORE secrecy, MORE torture, MORE loyalty tests, MORE patronage hackery, MORE incompetence -- and more war.

Giuliani is so much worse than Dick Cheney's wettest wet dream on every issue it's sick. He makes idiots like Tom Tancredo seem rational.

Posted by Fnarf | November 1, 2007 11:21 AM
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Oooh ... Giuliani attacked by the Dems on the 2nd Amendment! Low blow!!!

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 1, 2007 11:31 AM
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NewYorkGuy: Are you calling Giuliani's base thinking persons?

Fnarf: Agreed. He's so bad in so many ways. He can be beaten without his opponents calling him gay.

Posted by Eric F | November 1, 2007 11:31 AM
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Ahh Fnarf, wish I could put that on a tee shirt.

Posted by Dianna | November 1, 2007 11:41 AM
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Guilani ... um, excuse me, but doesn't he have something to do with Nov. 9th?

Posted by Will in Seattle | November 1, 2007 12:27 PM
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Giuliani is a creep. Hopefully, too creepy to be elected, hopefully. Before he was bragging about his... uh, what is it exactly he did during 9/11 (???)... he was bragging about single handedly cleaning up NYC (a result of economic boom, and not so much his policy).

Steinbrenner could've run things better.

Posted by Dougsf | November 1, 2007 12:31 PM
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You should read The New Republic's takedown of Rudy, which I basically paraphrased above.

http://www.tnr.com/story.html?id=77ee1fa2-4331-41dd-9129-90b0fa0213ed

Rudy did some good things in New York, but because he's Rudy he had to go too far. And he hasn't stopped going too far since.

Posted by Fnarf | November 1, 2007 1:38 PM
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On 9/11 Giuliani behaved competently. I know that basic competence seems really fucking amazing nowadays, but the mayor of the largest city in the country doesn't get brownie points for doing his job.

Posted by keshmeshi | November 1, 2007 1:41 PM
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So, we give him a pass because he didn't run like a scared rabbit like King George?

Nuh uh.

He's still a creep.

Posted by Will in Seattle | November 1, 2007 2:00 PM
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Is anyone else scratching their head about how the hell he worked 9/11 into a question about AIDS and HIV?

WTF?

Posted by Phelix | November 1, 2007 2:01 PM
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Seriously, the fact that someone will still write "On 9/11 Giuliani behaved competently" is a testament to the incuriosity of the general public. It doesn't matter what he did ON 9/11 (look strong, offer consolation). What's important is what he did before 9/11, and to a lesser extent after. Before, he had a fire department with shitty communication equipment and lousy chain-of-command structures, AND an emergency services office which he had built at enormous expense in WTC 7, aka the building across the street from the only confirmed terrorist target in all of Manhattan (it had already been bombed once) and the first building to collapse on 9/11. After, he endangered rescue and cleanup workers' health and lives in a mad dash to clean up the site while kowtowing to his grieving firefighters. In short, he did nothing to give one confidence that he'd be any better than W at preparing for and reacting to disasters. And he's somehow running on that?

Posted by Eric F | November 1, 2007 2:18 PM
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oh come on, what's a few hundred dead firefighters due to non-working communications between friends?

Posted by Will in Seattle | November 1, 2007 2:57 PM
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The primary purpose of the command center was to provide Rudy with a safe place to bang his mistress on his lunch hour, not "emergency services" whatever the hell they are. Rudy's a busy man, he can't go all the way back uptown just to get his rocks off.

Rudy was a joke on 9/11. What he did right was chase the Mafia out of the garbage and concrete businesses -- for which he almost got killed. Credit where credit is due. But that shouldn't get you the Presidency.

Favorite Giuliani story: after his plainclothes cops, on orders to get as tough as necessary, shot unarmed Patrick Dorismond to death after he told them to fuck off for trying to buy crack from him, Giuliani said Dorismond was "no altar boy".

But Dorismond WAS an altar boy, and went to the same Catholic school Rudy did.

You want four years of that?

Posted by Fnarf | November 1, 2007 3:57 PM
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No, but the Republicants seem to love choosing candidates who cheat on their mistresses with their third wives.

What's up with that?

Posted by Will in Seattle | November 1, 2007 4:33 PM

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