Slog - Comments on And the Obama Campaign's Response... http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response As predicted, very quick: Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld have spent time in the White House and travelled to many countries as well, but along with Hillary Clinton they led us into the worst foreign policy disaster in a generation and are now giving George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran. The real choice in this election is between conventional Washington thinking that prizes posture and positioning, or real change that puts judgment and honesty first.... Copyright 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:38:34 -0800 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:52:38 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by infrequent quick.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853589 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853589 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:43:34 -0800 Comment by RonK, Seattle Experience is bad, m'kay?

]]> RonK, Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853598 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853598 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:50:31 -0800 Comment by infrequent nice try ronk, but they are saying inexperience isn't bad when the experience cited was experience in making poor decisions.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853651 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853651 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:23:16 -0800 Comment by Just Me America wants change, Hillary is in trouble. And I want to be the Obama Boy!!!

]]> Just Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853666 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853666 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:28:30 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Sen. Clinton or Sen. Dodd will make a great VP choice for President Obama.

Sen. Edwards will be Minister of Finance.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853726 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853726 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:49 -0800 Comment by me I think the point is well made. Everyone thinks experience is everything, but if it was, Dick Cheney would be the best leader in the world. He has screwed up royally.

Experience is important, no doubt, but so is judgement.

]]> me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853734 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853734 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:06:08 -0800 Comment by brandon judgement and character, both very important. and for the love of god, time to put a PILF in the white house. obama wins on all counts.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853752 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853752 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:14:03 -0800 Comment by jewritto @6

Judgment is important, indeed. Someone should have told that to Obama pre his bible-belt-homosexual-reformation revival tour.

]]> jewritto http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853763 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853763 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:20:26 -0800 Comment by tiptoe tommy Obama sets up a false comparison when he compares Clinton to Cheney.

In my experience it is those with experience and gravitas who get elected president in this country. Obama is a leader for the future, but I am not at all sure he is the choice for 2008. When you watch the debates you can see the difference between Obama, who says what people want to hear, and Clinton, who usually gives the presidential answer. Remember, Seattle is not at all representative of America.

As for me, I think it is far past time for a woman in the White House.

]]> tiptoe tommy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853767 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853767 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:23:00 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I want to like this guy, but he not yet convinced me that he's anything other than a polite multicultural political version of Mr. Rogers. Grow some balls, dude!

If I had to pick someone other than Hillary, right now it would be Edwards. (I love Biden but his numbers are in the toilet.)

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853769 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853769 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:25:36 -0800 Comment by Mrs. Y It will be interesting to see how he spins this statement back in the opposite direction when he is campaigning for her next year.

]]> Mrs. Y http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853831 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853831 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:07:09 -0800 Comment by mike @6 - Everyone on here thinks "change" is everything. If it was, Bush would have been the best leader in the world.

]]> mike http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853880 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c853880 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:31:46 -0800 Comment by Alphonse @6 Are you kidding? We don't love change as an abstract principle, we want change from the current administration. Change from Bush = good. Change in general = ?

]]> Alphonse http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854045 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854045 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:15:42 -0800 Comment by Alphonse I mean @12. We're cool, 6.

]]> Alphonse http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854049 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854049 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:22:29 -0800 Comment by josh the Obama--Clinton--Edwards slapfighting isn't really the converse of Kerry's meek response to Swiftboating. His problem was that he didn't hit back hard enough against Republicans; their problem seems to be hitting back too hard against Democrats.

]]> josh http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854059 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854059 2008 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:30:00 -0800 Comment by Phoebe Big Sven @10 - you want to like him but he's too much like Mr. Rogers? You wouldn't want Mr. Rogers running things? Balls? Mr. Rogers had balls of iron go netflix Fred Rogers: America's Favorite Neighbor.

And start liking Obama. Because of this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.penalty.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest


]]> Phoebe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854221 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854221 2008 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:54:46 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Phoebe-

Cool link.

I was just so traumatized by Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry, I have to *know* that he will beat up the Rs. Perhaps this new feistyness with HRC will up my comfort zone.

And, no, sadly, I wouldn't want Fred Rogers running the country. We had that in 1976-1980 and the result was 12 years of Reaganomics. I love Jimmy Carter as a person and think he was one of the most principled men to ever rise to high office, yet the inescapable conclusion one reaches from his tenure is that Americans really have a primal need for strong, decisive, aggressive leaders.

Man, it's a shame that Paul Wellstone died. He was progressive *and* a fucking pitbull.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854267 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/and_the_obama_campaigns_response#c854267 2008 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:52:38 -0800