Slog - Comments on Values Voters Summit http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit Guiliani and McCain were bitch slapped at this weekend's Values Voters Summit. Via TPM: 1. Mitt Romney ... 27.62 % 2. Mike Huckabee ... 27.10 % 3. Ron Paul ... 14.98% 4. Fred Thompson ... 9.77 % 5. Sam Brownback ... 5.14 % 6. Duncan Hunter ... 2.42 % 7. Tom Tancredo ... 2.30 % 8. Rudy Giuliani ... 1.85 % 9. John McCain ... 1.40 % The religious right clearly hates Giuliani--but they hate McCain a little bit more. So it looks like sucking up to George W. Bush, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, et all, has gotten John McCain... Copyright 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:57:32 -0800 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:32:12 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe Everybody hates McCain. From his family to his "friends", his ugly face and his gay sweaters. Dude's a joke.

I am somewhat worried about Mitt.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830034 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830034 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:20:26 -0800 Comment by WORRYING IS FOR THE FUTURE A vote for Mitzi's a vote for Moroni - is that what you're worried about?

]]> WORRYING IS FOR THE FUTURE http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830041 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830041 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:45:34 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 i am somewhat worried about all of them

douchebaggery seems endemic this year

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830046 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:07:03 -0800 Comment by monkey I liked McCain back in the day. I'm just glad he showed his douchery before I ever had a chance to vote for him.

]]> monkey http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830049 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830049 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:13:12 -0800 Comment by Neil I loved McCain back in 2000, when he told Jerry Falwell to fuck off and actually seemed to say what he thought instead of pandering to the narrow minded wing of his party.

What a phony!

]]> Neil http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830067 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830067 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:15:33 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt I can't believe they're supporting a cult member!

]]> Michigan Matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830091 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830091 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:16:06 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Who cares?? They're all a bunch of piss-drinkers.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830097 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830097 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:29:52 -0800 Comment by pissy mcslogbot McCain alienated them by admitting he likes ABBA. When asked whats on his ipod McCain replied:

“Dare I say ABBA. Everybody says, ‘Ehhh, ABBA.’ Why is that? ABBA was the largest selling (recording act ever). Nobody likes them but they sold more records than anybody in the history of the world, including the Beatles. But everybody hates them. (But) you’re a no-class guy if you like ABBA. Why does everybody go see ‘Mamma Mia?’ Hypocrisy! Rank hypocrisy! I’m not embarassed to say I like ABBA, ‘Dancing Queen.’”

he's doomed.

]]> pissy mcslogbot http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830105 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:59:06 -0800 Comment by david What's Ron Paul doing with higher ratings than Sam Brownback and Fred Thompson? As a libertarian he doesn't think the government should interfere with a woman's right to get an abortion. He also opposes the Iraq war and Idiot Boy's domestic spying program. I saw his disciples at Hempfest saying he supports the right of people to smoke pot if they want. So there you have it: a pro-choice, anti-war pothead sympathizer getting more votes from the psychovangelicals than candidates who have had their heads up Jerry Falwell's ass from the beginning. Doesn't mean Ron Paul will ever get my vote, but it does seem like whatever planet Republicans live on is becoming more like Bizarro-World every day.

]]> david http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830142 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830142 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:15:45 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi Ron Paul is not pro-choice. I believe he also opposes same-sex marriage.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830151 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830151 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:24:11 -0800 Comment by Cascadian Ron Paul isn't a libertarian, he's a strict constructionist who believes in states rights. That is, if states want to repress liberty, including abortion rights, he's all for it. No thanks.

]]> Cascadian http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830153 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830153 2008 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:40:17 -0800 Comment by david 10 and 11: My apologies, you're right about Ron Paul and abortion. I was looking at his website where he goes on and on about people having choices in matters related to health care. Naturally I assumed that included a woman's right to choose (why have I not in almost three decades as a registered US voter learned never to take a Republican's statements at face value?) I should have looked at other sources including the footnotes in Wikipedia (my source of last resort) which clearly said he thinks states should set their own policies on the matter. Meaning, of course, that the handful of states that allowed abortion rights before Roe vs Wade in 1973 would be the only places where this option is available. Live in the red states, you're screwed (in another of so many ways). So I regret my error. Gotta be more sober before posting on the Slog!

Of course I still find it odd that the religious right preferred Paul over candidates that more aggressively courted these people. The exceptions, of course, are Mike Who? and Mitt Romney. President Mitt Romney--there's a scary thought. I think I should take a pill and lie down...

]]> david http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830164 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830164 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:45:56 -0800 Comment by Gurldoggie I love them all, in all of their incompetent glory. Wife swappers and child molesters every one, just like the whole Republican party, rotten to the core. I hope they keep showing their true selves, with all their swampy morals, and help us to elect Hillary with a popular mandate and solid congressional support.

]]> Gurldoggie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830171 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830171 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:48:49 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave Jim Tressel!

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830186 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830186 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:57:34 -0800 Comment by Kip For all of you - stop the glib stuff on Romney. Stop now, he is a real danger.

It is not about his church, sorry to tell you all the Mormon bashing is stupid, it is his politics.

He has NO scandal baggage. Great wife, five sons, as telegenic as JFK. Self made many millions aire, we like self made wealth.

The far right would rather have a Baptist - but - when it comes to Romney or Hillary, they will forget all that.

He has built an excellent operation, and is in the top two or three everywhere. Rudy G. freaks the far right and many R's in general. He should, his Mafia ties have yet to be public, but NYC politics are filled with that stuff.

My take on Romney vs. Clinton. Hillary has a lot of baggage, all the old stuff and much new, I bet.

Search as they might, Mitt is as clean cut as a boy scout. When the race goes to mud, and Rove and company will do the most negative campaign ever seen on Clinton, well good luck - clean as snow white Mitt might be looking better and better.

Beware, and by the way, only the really silly call Mormons a cult. They are in this era a more than full service church, big time operation all over in in the west. All churches are filled with their own hocus pocus, really, who cares.

It is politics, right wing vs. progressive, not whose religion one is joining.

]]> Kip http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830191 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830191 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:33:15 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt Yes, yes. The Mormons are a full-service church. But my progressive great-aunt out in AZ HATES the Mormons, and I've never heard her say a bad work about anyone. And hate is not too strong a word to use. My friend (he's 30) was taught in Sunday school in a somewhat progressive denomination that Mormonism was and is a cult. His parents (in their 60s) still believe it wholeheartedly. I can't believe their the only ones who believe so. While I certainly understand that the religious right's moral compass only points towards power, I don't think it's impossible to completely write off the Mormon thing.

Sure he (apparently) doesn't have scandal baggage outside of tying his dog to the roof of the car on family vacations and flip-flopping on virtually ever major position he's ever taken depending on the political winds, but I tend to think that the flip-flopping is pretty huge and will be for many folks.

All in all I just wish liberals would stop being so damned jumpy (Rove is everywhere; he's going to sink us!!!) and start leading already. I've been invoved in Dem politics for almost a decade and I'm pretty close to checking out.

]]> Michigan Matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830197 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830197 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:44:24 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt And by "their" I mean "they're". Oy.

]]> Michigan Matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830198 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830198 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:48:02 -0800 Comment by Mike What makes Mormanism a "cult" and any other religion different? They all sound equally nutty to me.

]]> Mike http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830217 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830217 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:54:23 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe The only religion that isn't nutty is whatever religion believes I am the center of the universe.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830256 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830256 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:51:32 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Mormonism is a cult because that's what Republican voters think. Dems will tear his flipflopping to bits in the general election.

More interesting to me is the rejection of McCain. He's the most "Reaganesque" of the bunch. But all those xians see red because he ripped on Falwell.

The funny thing is that Ronnie Raygun himself had an ambivilent relationship with xianity- he was not a regular churchgoer, and his wife was into astrology. But like all R power players he was happy to tak their votes on false promises of overturning roe v wade and a new Victorianism (see "What's the matter with Kansas?" for more info.)

He just had the smarts to keep his mouth shut on how he really felt, unlike Mr. Hothead "fuck you I know more about immigration than anyone in the room" McCain.

Wonder if the Rs rejection of MCain at some deep level is because he's soooo gun ho about the war- maybe at some level they know that's absurd?

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830335 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830335 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:43:26 -0800 Comment by Big Sven ps- no way are the Rs picking a pro-choice guy or a Mormon. It's Huckabee or somebody we haven't seen yet. Or the really dark case- Cheney figures out how to take over from Bush, runs in '08. The man's capable of anything, and he certainly is a *real* conservative.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830337 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830337 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:50:19 -0800 Comment by yesnomaybe I really can't stand Mormons. They're Stepford-wife scary and cliquish with a religion about as rational as the Hale-Bopp comet people. Joseph Smith was a real nut case. I hope Romney is the GOP candidate of choice--I mean when America learns the foundation and belief system of Mormonism, you'll know anyone who can buy off on that kind of thinking has no place running this country let alone elected dog catcher.

]]> yesnomaybe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830413 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830413 2008 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:34:54 -0800 Comment by Barry The post that suggested less anti-Mormon chatter and more political focus apparently called it right.

These posts sound like the stuff JFK faced about electing Catholics back in the 60's.

I am not into any organized religion - and if you want the weird, there are many more than one, including many non Christian systems.

Romney is a political force right now and where it ends - is possibly very core to next year. By the way, he might be a great VP for the GOP ...

#22 By the way, lots of Mormons in Seattle, and have never met one that had horns - and have never met anyone who gives a shit. You have a problem.

And, have fucked more than a few, great in bed.

]]> Barry http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830494 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830494 2008 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:38:21 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Barry, the question at hand isn't whether it's fun or advisable to screw Mormons, but rather whether fundies in the Republican party consider them a cult. This is a legitimate topic for discussion.

Some of those people still consider Catholicism a cult, by the way. Inclusiveness is not their watchword.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830522 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830522 2008 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:16:07 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The fundies in the Republican Party will ultimately not have a problem with Mormonism. Neither will the non-fundies. Romney is the only candidate who is (a) acceptably Republican (b) acceptably religious and (c) not a lightweight. Thompson is a joke, Huckabee is an airbag senator, and Giuliani is an idiot and an ethical nightmare. Ron Paul is Ross Perot. Ergo, Mitt wins.

And if the Dems put up Hillary, I think Mitt can beat her next year, even in this climate.

Consider this: Mitt is the only viable R candidate who wouldn't prompt a religious third-party candidate to siphon off 20% of the vote.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830531 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830531 2008 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:28:22 -0800 Comment by kk kip @15: Just because Giuliani's name ends with a vowel doesn't mean he's connected to the Mafia. Talk about bigoted. He was a federal prosecutor before he was Mayor.

]]> kk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830577 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830577 2008 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:37:54 -0800 Comment by Fnarf More on Romney and the Christianists: Bob Jones has endorsed him. It's all over; Romney is the nominee, if he can stay out of any airport bathrooms.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830840 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c830840 2008 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:14:49 -0800 Comment by Elizabeth Schmitz I attended the Values Voter Summit and wrote some of my comments here:

http://schmitzblitz.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/my-weekend-with-the-christianists/

]]> Elizabeth Schmitz http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c831732 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/values_voters_summit#c831732 2008 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:32:12 -0800