Not expelled, only suspended?

this is why every student should be armed

I thought The Stranger supported people who rode bikes and took public transportation. Now this guy's gonna have to drive, so he can keep his firearms locked in a trunk.

For shame, you promoters of global warming.

Good thing they weren't serving coffee today.

Is it easy to get a concealed weapons permit in Seattle?

there don't seem to be any rules against bringing pit bulls to class...

I don't understand why he isn't expelled, and barred from setting foot on SCC property -- any campus. That way, if they see him again, he's breaking the law, permit or no, and they can jail his fucked-up ass.

Funny, when these tactics are used against harmless druggies, everyone talks about how horrible the system is. But when they're used against harmless gun nuts, everyone thinks he got off much lighter than he deserved.

Aha... so this story should be read by all of those fucking assholes that claim that arming students and faculty would prevent school shootings.

Its not illegal to posses a firearm with the correct permits, which dude had. Maybe he was on his way to wades after school for some target shooting, like the patron saint dan savage. Its illegal to leave a gun in a locker btw. but yeah, sure he is an asshole for doing nothing illegal. and drugs are cool. cause those laws are different.

I love the ridiculous sliding scale of morality and wacky rationalizations. GUNS BAD, GOVERNMENT BAD, PITBULLS BAD MORE LAWS, DRUG LAWS BAD. you deserve the government you have.

Darn you liberals! Don't you know guns don't kill people!? People kill people!

Of course using a people as weapon takes some real creativity....

Looks pretty easy:

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/services/gun_permits/

Feh. Handguns are for punks. But the Arctic Warfare Super Magnum- now THAT gives me a gigantic if-it-lasts-more-than-four-hours-call-your-doctor erection. 2cm groupings at 100m.

"a knapsack full of guns"?

all the report sasys is one gun plus other weapons which could be knives numchuks, etc.

@10 - "Legal to possess" is not equal to "legal to carry on a public college campus".

Mr. Poe?

TSM @14 is correct, and to the point. Private property owners can set their own rules.

And forgive me for being dim, but when was the last time someone killed a buttload of his classmates with his drugs?

@7

He should have been expelled.

"Zero tolerance" is zero-fucking-tolerance. Never mind that an elementary student was expelled for bringing an GI Joe toy to school, another was expelled when she turned in a knife her mother gave her to cut up her apple, and another boy was for bringing a razor he found at a bus stop--which he gave to his teacher.

Meanwhile, right after Columbine, I was merely suspended 5 days (At Les Bois Junior High, Boise, ID) for tossing a threat in front of the entire class to my Band teacher, saying that I was going to bring a gun to school and shoot him after he humiliated a classmate and called her a "bitch".

Guess this shit is hit or miss, huh?

GI Joe? Expelled.

Cutting knife? Expelled.

Evident razor, promptly turned in to your teacher? Expelled.

A threat to bring a gun to school and shoot your teacher? Suspended for five days.

Don't make any note of this, kids. Because you can't possibly know when you'll get lucky, or when you'll get fucked.

@15

There are only three people I can think of who could possibly post that comment under that name, and regardless of whoever did it, that's not funny. Seeing how "Mr. Poe?" doesn't make any fucking sense in this post, it's obvious that the comment was made simply to antagonize me. So fuck you.

@16

"...when was the last time someone killed a buttload of his classmates with his drugs?"

Depends. Indoctrination, in my opinion, is a verbal drug. So that happens every day in Red State biology classes, as well as Blue State Science classes. Other than that, I have no fucking clue.

Time to go out and party. WWWWOOOOOTTTTT!!!

First, community college is not K-12 education. College students are adults. Second, violating a "campus policy" is not breaking a law. There's probably a campus policy against drinking a latte in the library from a cup without a lid. Johnny Law is not gonna haul you in for book endangerment. Because he's entitled to carry a concealed weapon, he broke no law and should simply have been instructed what the campus policy was, then sent home to leave his weapons there.

Sure, you should have been suspended for threatening to shoot your teacher. But, unlike you, the guy here didn't threaten anybody. He's just carrying his weapons around. You might as well punish him for attempted rape -- I'm pretty sure he's carrying his dick around as well.

Carrying a gun with a lawful carry permit is not a crime. Violating a no-trespass order is.

Violating a no-trespass order is.

? Where did you read this?

#20 - Your just asking for Mr Poe to freak out on you.

Not too unusual with the current under 25 crowd. It is very typical to have killed someone in high school and gotten away with it and go on to attend college and later work at some high tech firm with no regrets. Killing someone in a drive by now is like what getting in a fist fight was back when I was a kid. Just a rite of passage to manhood. Totally sick!

#21: I'm sure Mr. Poe is a reasonable, thoughtful human being.

Waitaminute- Poe, you were in Junior High School when Columbine happened? Christ on a cracker, I am oooooooollllllddddd.

I was doing consulting at Lockheed Martin Astronautical Systems, about five miles from Columbine High, on that day. With ~6000 employees, pretty much everyone knew someone who lost a kid.

Perhaps in retrospect I shouldn't have been such a smart ass about the Arctic Warfare Super Magnum. Though it really is a breathtakingly effective long distance sniping rifle.

I'm only interested if one of the guns was a Remington XP-100. (A perfect choice for an assassination weapon if portability and concealability are at issue.)

Jesus , how easy is it to get a concealed permit here? I might need one.

@26: Basically, to get a concealed weapons permit, you need to have $60, a pulse, and no record of felony convictions. Possessing the skill to actually hit a target instead of yourself or someone else is nice, but not required.

I think carrying firearms onto a college campus demonstrates a dangerous lack of judgement. Even with his concealed weapons permit, I wouldn't feel safe if I knew the guy sitting next to me in class had a backpack full of weapons.

2nd Amendment freeks have no problem with this. I think the school should ban him for life.

But hey, if a campus shooter had turned up he could have totally taken him on!

montex and The Baron-

As a "2nd Amendment freek" I will say that while I really strongly support people's rights both to own guns and to use them with deadly force to protect their lives and property, I do struggle with a couple of parts of gun policy:

(1) as examples like this show, and as Baron notes, public firefights are a bad thing. I think about being in a grocery store and a robber pulls a gun on the cashier. The cashier has a shotgun under the counter. I've got a gun. Another guy in line has a gun. Given that the vast majority of robberies are non-violent, and given that a firefight is a classic Bad Thing In Which To Find Yourself, would I want any of the three of us to try to shot the robber? Do I trust the other two to make the right decision? Probably not. Make it a school or church, and the arguments just get worse.

But if the robber started shooting, or if it were a Columbine situation, the arguments get trickier. I think airline pilots should be armed, for instance, especially if want to be. So it's tricky.

(2) I don't know what to do about the fact that 5% of the population is mentally ill. I don't know how you give the 95% lethal killing force and successfully screen out the other 5%.

I guess I'm rambling toward the position that I'm against concealed handguns. Keeping a disassembled rifle in your trunk, much less in your home, seems very different than a knapsack full of guns at school. But what do I know, I'm a freek.

Given that the vast majority of robberies are non-violent
Robbery: taking the property of another by force or fear with intent to permanently deprive. I don't understand how you think a show of armed force is non-violent. Do you trust armed robbers more than you trust an average citizen? Why?

Do you favor disarming the cops? Surely if they pull a gun a firefight is equally likely to ensue.

refuse...-

You're right, robbery is inherently violent. What I should have said was "Given that the vast majority of robberies don't involve death."

"Do you trust armed robbers more than you trust an average citizen? Why?"

I believe the criminals in the vast majority of cases act in self interest, and don't want a firefight any more than their victims. Don't give them one! Ripping off a store is not the same thing as breaking into someone's home. The guy working the counter at Piggly Wiggly should STFU, hand over the money, and wait to fill out the insurance forms. He shouldn't shoot it out with the perp.

"Do you favor disarming the cops?"

No. I trust me more than I trust cops, but I trust cops more than I trust some stranger. Cop vs perp is much more likely to end quickly and without collateral damage than Dirty Harry Wannabe vs perp.

But honestly, if a guy pulls a gun at the grocery store, I hope the cop's not there, and that nobody fires anything at anybody.

I had a class with this fellow (a Holocaust focused history and English coordinated studies class, no less) and dude was unstable at best. When he wasn't mumbling his way through astoundingly simplistic reasoning, he was getting up to leave class to answer his phone every few minutes. He made me angry, but I thought his problem was a combination of drugs and a complete unawareness of his fellow students, but I guess it was a little more tragic than that. I can only hope he's getting some help now.

On a related note: Who else wants to bet this is the same student who threatened SCCC via the Science and Math bathroom wall last year? We had an painful conversation about gun control in our class that day. Man, I wish I could recall what Mr. Mumbly MacPsychopants had contributed...

I love how everybody just jumps to rash conclusions without knowing the whole story. Ya'll are no different then the people you despise.

@34 - How do you know that?

I for one, am probably a better marksman than many of the pro-gun nuts, and even I think it's nuts to let people carry concealed weapons on campus.

it's nuts to let people carry concealed weapons on campus.

But it's not nuts to let people carry concealed weapons in the grocery store? I'm not getting why it's more nuts to carry concealed in the lecture hall than in the movie theater.

For everyone that had a class w/ this guy....you all understand why he could've been a threat.
For those of you who didn't, this guy really wasn't right in the head. I'm not sure if it was drugs or a mental imbalance, but after speaking to him several times right away you KNOW something isn't right. He constantly slept in class sometimes snoring, he'd put his feet up on the tables, he brought his pit-bull into class, he was disruptive and very disrespectful. Our last teacher (I've had this guy in several classes) finally, after trying to help him and giving him many chances, asked him to leave. When the dean got involved the guy lied and said the teacher was making it all up. The entire class wrote letters on behalf of the teacher to back her up and now your telling me 2 weeks later w/ three loaded guns and a car full of ammunition, that I have nothing to worry about b/c he had a permit???
Even w/ a permit, a person can have bad intentions and if I ever see this guy again....I'll be afraid. Should I have to continue going to class everyday being afraid b/c this guy can still walk around w/ NO consequence to his actions??
I agree that he didn't break the law and he has a right to carry his permitted guns....outside of places that they are NOT allowed. There are reasons that guns are not allowed at the school and I believe that he should not be allowed back into the school ever. They should also post his picture around school so that other students know what he looks like in case he ever comes back. As a fellow classmate, I believe he IS a threat. I am afraid to go to class and I think those feelings are justified. I respect other people's opinions about this situation, but it seems like many of you don't know the whole story.
Bad things can happen whether the guy has a permit or not. Why did he have three loaded guns and not just one if it was for safety?? Why the car full of ammunition??
Maybe his intentions were not bad and he made a bad choice. BUT I shouldn't have to be afraid to attend classes at the same school with someone who's judgment and rationalization skills are so poor that he brings three loaded guns into the classroom.
Thank you all for you time. I'm posting this NOT as a war of opinions, but so that some of you realize that to some of us fellow students this is waaay beyond basic gun control laws or the 2nd amendment. Sometimes people do bad things w/ guns even when they have a permit.

Another thing that we should be worried about. How come the k-12 schools get school resource officers and the 4 year universities get their own police officers but the community colleges only get unarmed campus security offciers? if this guy had decided to start shooting at people how many of the students and faculty would have ended up hurt or dead before SPD managed to get enough of their own officers to the campus and do something?

I mean for crying out loud, the campus police officer and campus security officer job descriptions are EXACTLY THE SAME, the only difference is the campus police officers can carry guns to protect the public and can arrest people. All the campus security officers are going to be able to do is watch us die. If they even survive.

I think with all the violence going on in the nation these days it is just stupid to have an unarmed security officer on a college campus when you can have an actual campus cop there in case something goes wrong.

And before someone starts yelling "yea but we have never had a shooting at Central before so we don't need cops here" remember that NONE of the college or high school campuses that have had a shooting ever took out an ad in the local paper saying "WANTED: Deranged lunatic with a gun to go on a rampage on our campus. Please apply in person" before someone showed up and started killing people.

For the moment, let's take into consideration that the Washington State Consitution expressly states the right to bear arms for personal defense. It's a right folks, just like free speech or religious choice. Get over it. That said, this guy seems like a nut.

Someone said they would not like someone sitting next to them with a gun. Why? If that person is not a threat or acting unstable, why worry about it. Law abiding people are just that, law abiding. Nearly 10% of Washington citizens have a concealed pistol license. Think about it, nearly one out of every ten people around you could be packing heat. Little old ladies, newspaper carriers, joe six pack, that guy in the suit buying the overpriced latte. Women protecting themselves against abusive exes, working stiffs with families. Cops can't guard you all the time.

Guns Are Not Bad, nor do gun laws protect against criminals, who by definition do not follow laws. Once England and Australia effectivly disarmed their citizens, violent crimes of all type went through the roof! (Look it up)

Any law abiding citizen should be able to carry their gun on campus. The mere presence of guns do not make a dangerous situation.

Not only do I have a concealed pistol permit, I also routinely OPEN CARRY my pistol, out where everyone can see it. Why? Why not? If I'm packing why hide the fact. Security through obscurity is not security.

Don't freak out about law abding gun owners, freak out about freaks.

Steve

Sven,

Cop vs perp is much more likely to end quickly and without collateral damage than Dirty Harry Wannabe vs perp.

You're actually quite wrong--police shoot the wrong person a higher percentage of the time than crime victims do.

I DONT understand? There is no LAW prohibiting a weapon on campus... so WHY was he arrested again? Sounds like a false arrest to me!

Kirk @40

You're actually quite wrong--police shoot the wrong person a higher percentage of the time than crime victims do.

I believe you; if you could cite a source – that would be helpful.

I know that many cops pull their weapon out of their holster twice a year to qualify (personal knowledge). I also knew a UW officer (long ago, now dead), who was one of the most mentally unbalanced people I've known.

Most pro-RKBA are at least proficient in the use of their weapon because they're passionate about their right to self defense. They tend to be well versed in law, research and logic, rather than governed by their emotions. Speaking for myself, I considered all aspects of taking the life of another before deciding to carry. I carry both openly and concealed and make no apologies.