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How about the MSM rush to declare war on Iran for WMDs? And al-Qaeda ... even tho the Afghani Foreign Minister says Iran has no connection with them and they've probably killed more al-Qaeda than we have over the last decade ...

That might be good to talk about.

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 19, 2007 4:18 PM

Since The Chimp bumbled into this black hole of death and budgetary horror, the price of oil has approximately tripled. His Texas (Oil) buddies are happy. The Chimp is nothing if not loyal to his friends.


Posted by Cherchez l'Argent | October 20, 2007 6:40 PM

chimps are good beings-
the human-as-president is not

Posted by pro-chimp | October 20, 2007 6:46 PM

The chimps would despoil you and all those you hold dear, if they got half the chance. We must strike them before they strike us.

Posted by Angry Orangutan | October 20, 2007 7:40 PM

I just listened to the part of the show where you guys talked about RTID. You guys and Goldstein come across like giggly clicky schmoozing high schoolers.

Tell you what guys- if you don't want to compromise, us Eastsiders will just pay an extra gas tax for our 520 and 405 expansion. You build a mass transit system and charge your riders to recoup the costs. Good luck with that.

Posted by Big Sven | October 20, 2007 7:52 PM

Big Sven, I wouldn't mistake Goldstein's cordiality for cliquishness. I listened to that segment, and I came away thinking Goldie really went after The Stranger's two resident transportation puritans.

I just wish he'd pressed them to answer his question as to whether The Stranger's board had a split vote on Prop. 1. Instead Josh Feit gave a slimy non-answer like, "We all struggled with this."

Posted by cressona | October 20, 2007 8:06 PM

Cressona, maybe you're right. Goldstein did seem to call shenanigans on the theory that outstaters are so concerned about global warming that they will rise up next year and pass a transit-only bill.

My wife has not been keeping up on the debate (just hearing me vent about it.) After hearing ECB go on about how elevated rail was unacceptable (isn't that what they have in a lot of Chicago? And New York?) because it promotes parking lots instead of density, Inga said "so it's not enough that it's a big mass transit system? It has to be the exact system that *she* wants?!?"

Exactly, sweetie. Exactly.

Posted by Big Sven | October 20, 2007 10:09 PM

She said what about elevated? Does subway work or only at grade in the street?

Posted by whatever | October 20, 2007 10:20 PM

Whoops. I misremembered it. Inga just told me that it was building in highway corridors that promotes park'n'rides intead of density, and was thus unacceptable to ECB. My bad.

Posted by Big Sven | October 21, 2007 12:18 AM

Thanks. Misremembered - is your real name George? :p Well I agree that building in freeway right of ways lessens the prospects of TOD. In addition, having a line situated so that people can make a last minute decision to drive instead of taking transit further reduces transit usage.

Curious if Goldy expressed what specifically ST2 would do? I haven't heard one proponent state that ST2 will add 74,000 transit riders by 2030 at such and such a cost or really anything factual. All I hear is this the best we will ever get or it will not come back with as many miles or the perfect is the enemy of the good or saying we should have done it forty years ago but never an analysis of why this is a good investment.

Posted by whatever | October 21, 2007 8:40 AM

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