I used to think "Seattle's Only Newspaper" was a Stranger-Brand™ joke--but it looks to me now like unqualified understatement.

BTW, when Saul goes to Mars Hill to debate the Athenians, he gets his butt kicked. Hard. Even the Bible admits the Greek philosphers laughed at his incoherent theology.

The PI is nuts and I have never understood why people think Driscoll is so cool and contemporary. He is anything but that. He makes my hair stand on end and he's probably more conservative than the most conservative Christian I have ever come into contact with.
He has an erroneous teaching about women and believes they should just stay home and have babies. He wrote a whole book about it that I have used in our schools to show why he misses it so completely. He’s a complete jerk!
He is complexly backwards and there is NOTHING COOL about him. I just don’t get why young people like him so much.
In my opinion the guy is a male chauvinist nut job.
Everything he says Paul wrote in the new testament about women is completely misinterpreted by him. He is totally wrong.
I'm on a rant and none of you care much about this guy or what Paul said so I will shut up but Come On why does the PI act like he’s some cool contemporary, progressive guy? He is complexly backwards. Oh... and did I mention he really pisses me off.... : )

Ya, Mr. Poe I know you hate ALL CHRISTIANS!

"It seems that it is what many are looking for, even in Seattle"

Really? Says who?

(mj- I wish more Christians were like you. I have good friends in MN that are Lutherans aned awesome people, too, but all the Calvanist "I'm not o.k., you're not o.k." churches seem pretty unpleasant)

Rejection of intolerance does not equal intolerance

I meant to say completely backwards not complexly backwards... Sorry Di, Duh, Doy Dummy Me : )

Also: microbrews are fighting against the tide of feminism! Really:

http://www.marshillchurch.org/content/alcohol

I'm looking forward to when the UW Young Republicans have Christian facism awareness week so this will brought to light. They're having that, right? Cause they're fair and balanced?

The marriage of Christianity and feminism helped to create a dry nation that put out of business all but the largest brewers who were able to survive on near beer and root beer which explains why today American beer is largely mass produced, watered down, light on calories, and feminine in comparison to rich and dark European beers.

Aw, man. Now I won't be able to enjoy a good Fat Tire without thinking about the Marc fucking Driscoll's ugly mug looking over my shoulder and nodding. Sigh. (And Bud Light is crappy, sure, but "feminine"?)

staying out all night, poverty, loudness and laughter are sins?
uh, right you are, no talent ass clown.

staying out all night, poverty, loudness and laughter are sins?
uh, right you are, no talent ass clown.

I'm in awe of their spin job. And the person who wrote that loves alcohol a little too much (so do I, it takes one to know one).

I guess I thought we didn't get female preachers until the 70s, and prohibition was long gone by then. I could do some research on history, but I'm not going to.

It seems to me that the message of Christianity is to love your neighbor as yourself. If boiling down the message of the Law and the Prophets to that one simple truth makes me a milquetoast main line liberal (Greg @ 13), then fine, I am proud of that label. I belong to a Capitol Hill congregation that excludes no one, stands for peace and helps our homeless and other marginalized neighbors without asking anything from them in return. Members are not spoon fed easy answers but encouraged to ask questions and think for ourselves about what being a follower of Jesus actually means. That will mean, of course, different things to different people, and that's completely OK. What Jesus taught about how we should treat others is more important than believing certain things about who he was and where he came from.

I have been disturbed for many years by the substitution of right wing politics for Christianity by the evangelicals. I know where I speak; I graduated from a well known evangelical seminary in 1988 after having done my undergraduate work at a small red state Bible college. Two decades later I work in a completely unrelated field. The fact that I have not completely abandoned the church is a miracle on the order of loaves and fishes and is only possible because I have found churches like my present one and the one I belonged to back in my pre-Seattle home. Evangelicals may dismiss me as a moral degenerate because I vote for Democrats. That is their right. But they have turned more people off to religion than a busload full of ACLU lawyers.

Finally MJ, I echo Big Sven's post @ 7. You appear enthusiastic about your faith but bright enough to ask the right questions. I encourage you to continue and genuinely wish you the best.

I am sorry to say that but as Carl Sagan said of god "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof" and that is something that the religous folk have failed to provide. And a step further, the arugument they use for the existance of god is the lack of any proof of god's existance. (See Thomas Aquinas)

BTY Good job organizing that protest. I was proud of you, for reals no sarcasm involved : ) You did a good job!
Oh, and you're not invisible!

This Mars Hill just be the real life version of "Mars Attacks!" except no Jack Nicholson.

As for the beer thing, alcohol is bad, and most people who drink drive. Most hit and runs are caused by this. So ... if they are using beer as an argument it just proves how evil they are.