No hustle.

Love it or hate it, SEA just has a more money-grubbing attitude and the economy that goes with it. Ya'll seem to envy PDX's progressive attitude and low-key vibe, but nailing down that job that supports your family is another matter. Money down there tends to be old money--and they don't throw it around investing in new, job creating businesses like they do up here.

But Portland's not bad.

fun for a day or two, but i don't think i would live there let alone raise a family there.

oh and newsflash to new yorkers- the shins really suck nowadays. it's kind of sad actually.

portland has NOTHING on seattle. except for light rail and aggressive city planning.

vote yes on prop 1

People in New York also love Vermont. YAWN...

Although I'm a Portland native, and still have a lot of relatives there (and like you grew up in the armpit os SW WA), I much prefer living in Seattle, for all the reasons you cited.

Sure, we still can't buy a beer with our lap-dance, have to pump our own gas, and it'll be 20 years before we have anything approaching decent mass-transit around here, but otherwise there's not a lot else to really recommend it as a residential destination.

As the Late Governor Tom McCall used to say back in the 1960's, "Oregon is a nice place to visit, but please don't move here".

That's still good advice, IMO.

http://www.slate.com/id/2173729/
http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/dining/26port.html

and cream all over themselves about what is or where is the next big city to claw away at and consume in the way posh, hip cultural consumers with disposable incomes do these sorts of things.

Fuck it all. People shit themselves over the idea that there might be some neighborhood-based mecca of truly cheap warehouse artist colonies within walking distance of some martini bar that is cheap enough so you do not have to scramble and is enough off the radar so as to not be colonized by spiritually empty assholes while simultaneously containing enough amenities so you are not truly stranded. Portland is just the current utopia du jour. Soon it will suck like Seattle.

Ho!

Um...no it won't. I think the whole 100% conservative thing will get in the way of that possibility.

Eh, give it time. Ever spent time in the North End? It's just your usual charming western city streetcar development from the teens and twenties, but isn't that just the thing that the NYTimes will name an undiscovered gem one of these days? And they'll oooh and aah over the mountains and trails, and everything else that seemed prosaic to the natives.

Oh, also, enough outsiders have been moving in to the city that they've started electing Democrats. Not statewide, however.

PDX will never fall as far as Seattle, although the influx of fux i've seen in the last 10 years is taking a toll on livability here.

open post to all NYers thinking of relocating to PDX...forget Portland and get in early on the next trend:

CLEVELAND! KANSAS CITY! INDIANAPOLIS! PEORIA!

portland has closer & better hot springs & ocean beaches. but we've got way more homeless.

the grass is always greener.

And all the rest of you too, who gush about how great it is and how much this city sucks. GTFO and maybe you'll help solve some problems, not just for yourselves but for the rest of us as well.

me too... we must know the same peeps, and a little bird told me that High Point is the next Sedro-Woolley, and Orujo is the next Ketel One. shhh, keep it to yourself.

I think both cities have their attributes and should be enjoyed by each other's residents.