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<title>Slog - Comments on Obama&apos;s Meta-Problem</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem</link>
<description>There&apos;s a lot to be said about Obama&apos;s bad week (and a lot is being said, including here, here, and here). Much of it amounts to piling on to all the criticism of Obama for not understanding how bad an idea it would be to have Donnie McClurkin, a man who has been &quot;delivered from homosexuality,&quot; as part of the recent pro-Obama gospel tour. But the bigger problem is this: Obama is (or should be) trying to gain traction among Democratic primary voters. Again: Democratic primary voters. To do this, he promised on Sunday to rev up his campaign by...</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:00:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jiberish</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>i appreciate this much more thoughtful post on obama and the mcclurkin affair.  much better than the race baiting of previous posts.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jiberish</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835868</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:32:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by true believer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm going to say this shows that Obama's his own man, and while he acknowledges and accommodates the views of many, he is not going to tap dance when some special-interest group tries to pull what they think are his puppet strings.</p>]]></description>
<author>true believer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835874</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:37:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by mike</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@2 - And the "special interest group" in question would be who, exactly?</p>]]></description>
<author>mike</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835877</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hernandez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@2 - I think the term "constituency" is more accurate than "special-interest group" in this case, since I can only assume that your comment is supposed to be a jab at the gay community. </p>

<p>Great post Eli, right on target.  You're damn right I was hoping he'd come after Hillary from the left.  God damn, what an overall disappointment.</p>]]></description>
<author>Hernandez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835900</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:50:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by tabletop_joe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A great summation. Thanks, Eli. </p>]]></description>
<author>tabletop_joe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835910</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835910</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:56:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Just Me</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@1, can you point me to the race baiting in the previous posts?  I would like to see where those are at. </p>]]></description>
<author>Just Me</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835911</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:57:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by IMAdrgQ</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>No Nig-Nogs for me!</p>]]></description>
<author>IMAdrgQ</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835919</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835919</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:00:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Kevin Erickson</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think we'll still see obama coming after Hilary from the left.</p>

<p>Obama's thing is to push for authentically progressive positions but frame them in common ground ways that don't alienate conservatives.  Like being a pro-gay candidate but not being willing to exclude people who support pro-equality positions but aren't ready to endorse homosexuality as "moral" or whatever.  Maybe it's harder for dyed-in-the-wool liberals to find this exciting, but as a solution to the dumbass polarization and bogus "culture war" mentality that has plagued american politics, it's thrilling to me.</p>

<p>This might be a liability in the primary, but in the general it's a recipe for victory.  That's why Obama's doing better than Hilary in all the matchups, according to Zogby. <br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Kevin Erickson</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835930</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835930</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:07:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cascadian</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Damn right I wanted him, or anyone, to finally stand up for what's right and stop caving to the Republicans and right-wing media. Edwards at least has tried; if he's failed it's because most people don't think he's sincere, and he hasn't done enough. Dodd is making a nice stand on the FISA bill and is relatively outspoken on the war, but again it's too little too late. Obama's done nothing, so he deserves the largest share of our collective disgust.</p>

<p>If it's just a bunch of typical Democrats running, then I'll take the one that I think is most likely to win. That's Hillary Clinton. But I don't just want someone who can win and then turn around and screw the interests of liberals, gays and lesbians, and other key Democratic constituencies. That was dispiriting enough when Bill Clinton did it, even if the unrelenting horrors of Bush have made us forget. I want somebody who will lead the country and move us to a place where we can stop playing defense and start solving our real problems. Pandering to bigots should be off the agenda, period, for all the candidates. </p>]]></description>
<author>Cascadian</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835949</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:30:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by true believer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@3 and @4: the special interest group is  "Gays against insecure, self-hating anti-gay gay biblethumpers," "Gays and allies for the suppression of all speech they don't like," "Liberals seeking an excuse not to vote for a black man," and "Hillary Clinton Supporters."</p>]]></description>
<author>true believer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835986</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:50:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Adam</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I find it generally irritating that people can't get over the fact that Obama is trying to broaden his constituency. As a gay man in a commited relationship, I don't feel slighted by Obama's recent campaign through SC. I think McClurkin sounds like a nut job, but so does Mr. Savage at times.</p>

<p>If Obama starts talking about prayer in schools, an end to abortion, or a need to teach intelligent design is schools, then I'll be concerned. The last thing I want is a politician to pander to the shrillest noise - regardless of the group making noise.</p>

<p>Anybody who thinks Hillary is better on the issue of gay rights, they're not paying attention.</p>

<p>For those who say that the Obama apoligists would feel different if a Republican asked McClurkin to participate, you're probably right because all many Republicans have ever done is preach hate.</p>]]></description>
<author>Adam</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835998</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c835998</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:58:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The last thing I want is a politician to pander to the shrillest noise - regardless of the group making noise.</blockquote>

<p>Speaking of that, what about Hillary's flag burning amendment?  Talk about pandering.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836016</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:13:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I feel that since the MSM is not reporting this as an issue (it's buried way way back in the pages), it really doesn't matter.</p>

<p>The MSM is still fixated on crowning Clinton and Guilani as "our picks" for President - that's Obama's biggest problem.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836030</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836030</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:24:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cascadian</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>11 said: "Anybody who thinks Hillary is better on the issue of gay rights, they're not paying attention."</p>

<p>Their voting records are identical. The difference is how they're cultivating the evangelical vote, particularly among African Americans. She's got bigoted supporters, but she's not sponsoring events where they rail against gays, and she's not supporting soft bigotry by making dumb-ass comments about how it's just the unhappy gays that her supporter is preying on. She's either savvy enough to avoid saying shit like that on the record and disciplined enough to keep her supporters from embarrassing her, or she actually believes what she says. Obama has either lost control of his campaign or is triangulating against gays and lesbians in order to improve his prospects in evangelical strongholds such as South Carolina. That makes Hillary a better candidate for the interests of gays and lesbians.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cascadian</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836039</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836039</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:27:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by true believer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p><i>That makes Hillary a better candidate for the interests of gays and lesbians.</i></p>

<p>Yep, Hillary's cold and calculating where Obama's warm and sincere. I almost hope she wins so I can watch her sell gays down the river like Bill did with DADT. Enjoy your closet, gays!<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>true believer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836059</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836059</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:57:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by mikeblanco</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Geez Cascadian!  "Obama has .... lost control of his campaign" because one of his supporters believes something nutty?  Its more disturbing to me to think that people in Clinton's camp are only allowed to talk if their ideas have been carefully vetted by "the boss."</p>]]></description>
<author>mikeblanco</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836090</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836090</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:45:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hmmm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If Clinton is being considered too "Republican", and Obama is hating the gays, and not being forceful enough... who else in the democratic party is a strong enough candidate, and not as "mainstream"?  I know that Kucinich is kind of weasley, but his views are very progressive.  I, along with most of the country, want change.... but I just don't feel comfortable with any of the candidates anymore.  I personally would vote for Hillary out of default if she became the democratic candidate.... but it's hard to trust someone who's been to the Builderburg meetings, and quite frankly I don't want to be stuck in the Clinton-Bush ping pong game anymore.  </p>]]></description>
<author>hmmm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836238</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/obamas_metaproblem#c836238</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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