Comments on Mark Penn's Perspective

oh please! the slog poll may be fun and all, but it is no means representive of washington, and it sure as hell isn't scientific. that's like going onto the AFA's website and seeing that the majority of it's readers are against marriage rights.

Of course, if you give us a choice, we'd all rather re-elect President Gore.

My enthusiasm for Obama changed drastically right around the time of the YouTube debate.

I'm going to vote democrat either way, but I would prefer voting for Edwards or Richardson rather than Hillary or Obama. Unfortunately, that makes me sexist and racist for some reason.

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Speak for yourself, please.

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That's a pretty good way to keep the Reps in office.

@1 - he wasn't talking about the slog poll: http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/polling_washington

Dammit, Eli. Is there some requirement that to get a press badge to cover a presidential election you have to check your common sense at the door? Why the hell are you seriously reporting what someone from the Clinton campaign has to say about the momentum of Clinton's opponent?

This is a bit like asking someone from the National Association of Realtors how home values are doing these days. Or asking Merrill Lynch about a public company whose IPO they're underwriting.

Here's another highly anecdotal unscientific poll: not a single person I've talked to about this in bars over the summer has brought up Gore. Also, I hear a lot of support for Clinton, probably mostly from women.

I didn't vote in the last two slog polls, and in the first one I voted twice (home and work).

Is there a way to tell how many people read slog, other than guessing from the number of comments?

Eli, You sloged last week about the fact that if Clinton were to get the Dems nod and win the election this would place the country in the control of the same two familes for 24 years.

I smell a feature.

This is all horserace. Where's the beef?

Graffiti seen today scrawled on the side of an elevator: "life's a bitch, so don't vote for one". Sadly, this is just the beginning of what we're going to see if Clinton gets the nomination. If we thought that the crap we saw with Kerry was bad (character assasination, swiftboating, etc.) we need to realize that with Clinton it's going to be 5x as bad.

@2 - I thought Richardson was hispanic, so that would only make you racist toward black people.

@10 - No matter who the nominee is, there will be crap flung. In Hillary Clinton's case, a lot of it will be sexist crap. The sign of a winner isn't how much crap is flung their way but how they deal with it. Hillary has been attacked for fifteen years now, and she's both willing and capable (and has a strong record) of responding effectively.

The problem with Kerry, and Gore before him, and Dukakis and Mondale before them, were that they didn't fight back effectively. The Clintons have many negative traits, but one thing you can count on them to do is counter the crap and come out smelling better than their political enemies. It's a trait that is sorely lacking in many of her rivals (Obama most of all), and the best reason to support her candidacy.

I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?

@11 - um, how so?

Hmmm, I suppose I will vote for Hillary and at this point I tend to agree it is going to be her on the ticket. (The comparisons to Dean are VERY weak to say the least)

I just will not put up a lawn sign, no stickers and not talk about it. Hillary is the lesser of all the evils at this point and that, sad as it is, is what we are back to: the lesser of two evils.

I now HATE Al Gore. HATE HATE HATE Al Gore.... May he ROT IN HELL for NOT running this time.

Yeah I don't quite understand #11, either. I think he was directing it at me? And if so, it still doesn't make any sense.

I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?

I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?