Slog - Comments on Mark Penn's Perspective http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective Like I wrote earlier, top Clinton strategist Mark Penn is in Seattle today to brief reporters and supporters on the Clinton campaign, and to promote his new book. I just got off a conference call with Penn, who had some interesting things to say about the Clinton campaign here in Washington and around the country. One thing that leaped out at me: Penn prefaced his discussion of Clinton and Washington State by saying, "There isn't very much current polling in Washington State." Then he pointed to the same 5-month-old poll that Ron Sims pointed to in September when he tried... Copyright 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:50:29 -0800 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:15:25 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by konstantConsumer oh please! the slog poll may be fun and all, but it is no means representive of washington, and it sure as hell isn't scientific. that's like going onto the AFA's website and seeing that the majority of it's readers are against marriage rights.

]]> konstantConsumer http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822265 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822265 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:59:47 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Of course, if you give us a choice, we'd all rather re-elect President Gore.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822268 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822268 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:00:16 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe My enthusiasm for Obama changed drastically right around the time of the YouTube debate.

I'm going to vote democrat either way, but I would prefer voting for Edwards or Richardson rather than Hillary or Obama. Unfortunately, that makes me sexist and racist for some reason.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822274 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822274 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:02:36 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe @2

Speak for yourself, please.

P.S.
That's a pretty good way to keep the Reps in office.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822276 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822276 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:04:36 -0800 Comment by Levislade @1 - he wasn't talking about the slog poll: http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/polling_washington

]]> Levislade http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822298 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822298 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:13:03 -0800 Comment by cressona Dammit, Eli. Is there some requirement that to get a press badge to cover a presidential election you have to check your common sense at the door? Why the hell are you seriously reporting what someone from the Clinton campaign has to say about the momentum of Clinton's opponent?

This is a bit like asking someone from the National Association of Realtors how home values are doing these days. Or asking Merrill Lynch about a public company whose IPO they're underwriting.

]]> cressona http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822299 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822299 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:13:23 -0800 Comment by Tizzle Here's another highly anecdotal unscientific poll: not a single person I've talked to about this in bars over the summer has brought up Gore. Also, I hear a lot of support for Clinton, probably mostly from women.

I didn't vote in the last two slog polls, and in the first one I voted twice (home and work).

Is there a way to tell how many people read slog, other than guessing from the number of comments?

]]> Tizzle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822300 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822300 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:14:32 -0800 Comment by Brandon Dismuke Eli, You sloged last week about the fact that if Clinton were to get the Dems nod and win the election this would place the country in the control of the same two familes for 24 years.

I smell a feature.

]]> Brandon Dismuke http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822305 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822305 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:17:15 -0800 Comment by Greg This is all horserace. Where's the beef?

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822358 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822358 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:53:11 -0800 Comment by scharrera Graffiti seen today scrawled on the side of an elevator: "life's a bitch, so don't vote for one". Sadly, this is just the beginning of what we're going to see if Clinton gets the nomination. If we thought that the crap we saw with Kerry was bad (character assasination, swiftboating, etc.) we need to realize that with Clinton it's going to be 5x as bad.

]]> scharrera http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822435 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822435 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:55:15 -0800 Comment by Hernandez @2 - I thought Richardson was hispanic, so that would only make you racist toward black people.

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822529 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822529 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:14:18 -0800 Comment by Cascadian @10 - No matter who the nominee is, there will be crap flung. In Hillary Clinton's case, a lot of it will be sexist crap. The sign of a winner isn't how much crap is flung their way but how they deal with it. Hillary has been attacked for fifteen years now, and she's both willing and capable (and has a strong record) of responding effectively.

The problem with Kerry, and Gore before him, and Dukakis and Mondale before them, were that they didn't fight back effectively. The Clintons have many negative traits, but one thing you can count on them to do is counter the crap and come out smelling better than their political enemies. It's a trait that is sorely lacking in many of her rivals (Obama most of all), and the best reason to support her candidacy.

]]> Cascadian http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822610 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822610 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:28 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822625 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822625 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:51:29 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @11 - um, how so?

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822627 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822627 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:52:26 -0800 Comment by Just Me Hmmm, I suppose I will vote for Hillary and at this point I tend to agree it is going to be her on the ticket. (The comparisons to Dean are VERY weak to say the least)

I just will not put up a lawn sign, no stickers and not talk about it. Hillary is the lesser of all the evils at this point and that, sad as it is, is what we are back to: the lesser of two evils.

I now HATE Al Gore. HATE HATE HATE Al Gore.... May he ROT IN HELL for NOT running this time.

]]> Just Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822634 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822634 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:56:08 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Yeah I don't quite understand #11, either. I think he was directing it at me? And if so, it still doesn't make any sense.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822712 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822712 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:49:43 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822784 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822784 2008 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:12:20 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I agree with cressona and cascadian completely.

(1) Penn wouldn't say his candidate doesn't have momentum in WA. Shocking!

(2) Yes some people hate Hills (though it's down to 40% nationally) but the vast majority of those will pour bile on any Dem- they hated the milqueoast Kerry, for god's sake. The point is that she punch as hard as she is punched, and won't that be a breath of fresh air?

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822851 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/10/mark_penns_perspective#c822851 2008 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:15:25 -0800