Wow...the solution was right in front of us the whole time!!!
(Expect the price of carrots to go up in proportion to oil)
More carrots...more sticks!!
Hey Eli - I bet most of us are listening or watching the debate right now. Any chance you want to comment on some of these statements or are you just transcribing?
Hey Michael @2: There's only so many things one person can do at once. I'll do more analysis tomorrow. And, you know, if you've got some analysis to offer, the comments are right here...
Why is everything that comes out of Bill Richardsons mouth dumb?
Does Hillary have two sets of eyebrows? I never noticed that before.
I don't have a TV and I appreciate the play-by-play.
Clinton is winning. She has already said "As President . . ." a number of times which helps her narrate us through a possible reality, helping us see her in that role. Barak needs more fire to keep my attention. Needs to attack less and walk me through an Obama Presidency. Dodd explained what kind of president we need - "one with Experience" - but forgot to mention that HE would be that kind of president. Edwards doesn't sound decisive or leader-ly, just whiney. Upturned eyebrows = "pleading".
Also, do Clinton's eybrows EVER move? NEVER. Botox? Robot? Stepford Politician?
I've come to the conclusion that I hate all of these bozos.
@9 - Candidates not sloggers!
don't see a knockout punch against Hillary yet.
Good that they all refer to eac other b first names and not just Hillary.
This "debate" is missing some serious green.
Summary:
Clinton - the Nominee. Qualified, intelligent, prepared.
Obama - trying to act Presidential. Failing.
Edwards - trying to act Progressive. I'm not fooled.
Kucinich - the only one I consistently agree with. Unelectable.
Biden - Other than Clinton, the only one I can actually picture as President. Zero chance of winning.
Dodd - Why?
Richardson - desperately trying to be noticed. Failing.
Why the fuck isnt this on npr or non-cable tv??? Heres whats on-Jeopardy! Fucking inside edition, ET, King of Queens and two and a half men....No wonder no one knows what the fuck is going on...I wanna watch! I wanna hear!
Marcel Duchump @4:
Why is everything that comes out of Bill Richardsons mouth dumb?
So true. I question the intelligence of anyone who can listen to Bill Richardson speak for five minutes and not come away questioning Bill Richardson's intelligence.
Eli, great you're posting the play-by-play. Lot less painful reading this than actually watching the damn thing. Great putdown of Edwards too:
Edwards says, once again, that “there’s nothing wrong with the American people.” Why does he keep saying this? Is there an American politician anywhere who has ever said there’s something wrong with the American people?
About Hillary. Y'know, the more words I hear come from her mouth, the more I hate her guts. And the more I realize she's gonna be our next president. (And this is coming from an Obama supporter.)
nice job
eli
Wow, they actually pay you to crib your final impressions of the debate from the someone in the comments? Like, aren't you supposed to have you own opinion?
@15 "Hate her guts" - so visceral - so schoolyard - tell us how you really feel. Does one assume "Cressona" is a woman? Still trying to learn what this hate is about - say, vis-a-vis, oh I dunno, Condi Rice? Same hate? Different hate for black woman trying to get ahead?
@Eli: REIN equals leather strap, restraint; REIGN equals royal rule - there's a difference. Ed. But thoughtful overview despite errata.
I don't understand the answers on the price of oil. Shouldn't the Democratic candidates be saying: "I welcome higher oil prices. I hope that oil prices go high enough that families move out of their suburban homes and into dense clusters of small urban appartments. I hope that oil prices go high enough that no one drives anymore and we all ride bicycles and use public transit. I hope that oil prices go high enough that Americans stop flying. If I am elected, I pledge to levy enough taxes to double the price of oil."
Clearly, these candidates are a part of the problem, not the solution. The Stranger should suggest that its readers vote NO on these candidates.
Didn't see the debate - reading about it was quicker - but I stick by my prediction, Hillary/Biden. And yes, Kucinich is right about everything, but unelectable. Though his wife is insanely hot, so he might be a witch.
Don't agree with the comment in the play by play that HRC is now against nafta. She has said that she will "reassesse it." That means nothing more than take a look at it- it could stay, it could go-there is no commitment but it sounds good.
Edwards tagged Clinton with the contribution line and her defense industry contributors. I don't understand why people are suspect of his populist credentials. And don't bring up the house- remember the Kennedy's have Hyannis Port.
All the comments - all the debate - all the energy is a bounce against THE Hillary.
And there is still doubt?
She has it, others don't. And she is as mean and combative as the rumors say, she is a gut fighter and will do it all to get elected.
This election is the life dream of a very ambitious person - who will vindicate herself and her husband to history and the American and global public.
Yes, its her.
And Clinton vs. Romney will be a bitter battle.
I am getting the quivers.
The whole world will be watching and there will be a surprise every day.
My glib self is taking over, I really think she can win. think of it, the First Woman President who takes the country back from the neo fascist R. party.
History, real history.
Grant,you can have Dennis's wife - I think he is the cats pajamas - good wine and good mj and I bet he is hot in bed.
Onward, on the the battle for the reconstruction of America. I think it is real.
Clinton is unelectable. She lacks charisma, and the 14 years of so of Republican mud that has been slopped on her has given her a negative image that will be impossible to overcome. 20% of the population believes she eats babies, and will not be shaken from that belief. The first woman President is not going to be someone that polarizes people this much, regardless of whether the negative image of her is fair or not. Not to mention, she's a senator. Senators never win the Presidency anymore, governors do. It's very sad to see her so far ahead in the polls so early in the nominating process. Truly, the Democrats are the party of self defeat. Ah well, maybe in 2012 we can retake the White House.
Maybe it's time I need to stop talking shit about Clinton since it's becoming increasingly clear that I will have to be talking her up over Mitt Romney or Guiliani in a few months.
So sad that people are so blind.
David @19: saying this would guarentee she loses, and loses big.
Hillary Clinton's going to sail through the primaries all the way through the nomination. Unfortunately, her reputation and image are both so unrelentingly awful with unaffiliated swing voters, that she'll lose by no fewer than three points in the general election to Mitt Romney.
Don't blame me - I'm only tallying the odds.
I just took a couple of those online tests that compare your views on policy to all of the candidates. Kucinich was the best match for me by far, as he was in the last election. But, totally agree that he is unelectable. So, what do I do in the primary? Vote for him because his views on policy align with mine (and I'd like to send the message that there are Americans who agree with his policies)? Or, vote for who I like better between HRC and Obama since that's where the real fight will be (presumably)? I am undecided.
Vote for him because his views on policy align with mine (and I'd like to send the message that there are Americans who agree with his policies)? Or, vote for who I like better between HRC and Obama since that's where the real fight will be (presumably)? I am undecided.
Well, if you don't do whatever you can do to get Kucinich nominated, all us Nader-voters are gonna, you know, vote for Nader again. And I know you don't want that...
Bill wants Hill to get elected so he can hang out in the executive office building and fuck interns once more.
Edwards says, once again, that “there’s nothing wrong with the American people.” Why does he keep saying this? Is there an American politician anywhere who has ever said there’s something wrong with the American people?
I wish one would. I would pay to see that.
I'm also sick to death of politicians wanting to use up the Strategic Oil Reserve. Don't we have it for a reason, in case of embargo, instability in the Middle East, etc.? I don't want that shit used to placate SUV-driving Middle Class Americans. Fuck 'em. If they refuse to drive less, then let them cut their cable service to pay for more expensive gas.
I thought Obama and Dodd won it.
Oh, and @20 by Grant, "And yes, Kucinich is right about everything, but unelectable. Though his wife is insanely hot, so he might be a witch."
I think you nailed that part, although I disagreed with your previous sentence.
And it's warlock.
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