Chelsea Clinton? Fuck that ho!

If Jeb wins in 2012, he’ll be up for reelection in 2016—the year after Chelsea Clinton turns 35

Okay, now you're freaking me out.

If you have somebody who you think is better than Hillary, then say who it is and say why. It isn't that hard to find reasons why she's not the ideal candidate.

But if the best you can come up with is that there is "something" about another Clinton presidency you don't like, but you can't really say exactly what that something is, then pipe down. It's just FUD if all you can say is it kind of sort of looks bad.

Sullivan is a tool. Always has been.

@3 - I think his quote explains what that "something" is pretty well. I sort of sympathize, but it's not really a big deal: I already don't like Hillary on her own merits.

Were these people freaked out about electing another Bush in 2000? If not, they are cordially invited to an extra-heavy dose of Shut the Fuck Up.

Come on guys, there isn't going to be a 2008 presidential election because a "terrorist" attack in July/August/September 08 will lead Pres. Bush to declare marshall law.

Personally, I think we should just start over. Viva La Revolution. I can't think of a single politician in Washington other than Russ Feingold who has any kind of integrity, and even he's too big of a wuss with his censure resolutions. Our government is totally boned and everyone's too busy watching American Idol to give a fuck.

@7, problem is, if we 'started over' then we (or more likely the politicians of the old government) would create something equally dysfunctional or worse. Public interest and idealism are at low points, so where would the impetus for creating a good new system come from?

What I was going to say "on topic" was that eventually the Clintons and Bushes will decide it is much simpler to join families and avoid the whole boring "campaign" process. Does Jeb have a son around Chelsea's age?

If we had to have another Bush, I wish it had been Jeb in 2000 instead of George. He's the only halfway human one in that clan.

Sullivan says that having been the first lady before becoming president has "something corrupt" about it. Why? Because it "cannot but corrupt."

I'm guessing if I keep asking why, we will keep going in circles.

I suppose you could find evidence that members of political dynasties have a worse record of corruption than politicians that aren't of a dynasty. I'm guessing the evidence points the other way, and if it didn't, you'd be reading about it instead of this "something something something" innuendo.

One of the reasons people like him thought invading Iraq was a good idea was their willingness to feel certain about things without seeing good evidence.

Agree with BB @5: no one complained about "dynasties" in 2000. I could give a shit about dynasties. Besides Dan's Jeb concerns, which I share, I worry about a Clinton presidency because I think she'll do exactly what her husband did: stay firmly in the grip of big business, including the insurance companies. That'll pave the way for the Republicans to win in 2012.

@6 - Ahh yes, "marshall" law! Remind me again, what is marshall law? Is it the law of the Marshall Islands, or the law proclaiming "We Are Marshall" to be the official state movie of Virginia?

Jeb doesn't have a fucking prayer. He's got about as much chance of becoming President in '12 or '16 as Pat Nixon did in 1976. The depth of Bush-revulsion is still unplumbed.

Huh, I always thought shrub's "victory" in 2000 WAS the payback for poppy's defeat in 1992.

And I don't think the American Voting Public is all that concerned re: political dynasties. After all, we elected both John and John Quincy Adams in the early days without too much consternation, and probably would have elected Bobby Kennedy in 1968 had he lived. In addition, there are numerous examples of family members "inheriting" House and Senate seats, even a governorship or two, if memory serves.

What Fnarf said. And make it look like the picture.

GWB hasn't just destroyed the Bush dynasty, he's destroyed the GOP as well--I suppose we oughta be thankful for it, but still...

And ditto to elenchos @11--Andrew Sullivan is welcome to do his little monkey dance and entertain me, but I don't have much respect for his "astute" observations anymore. And that last book of his sucked, sucked, sucked.

Yes, the 15-year dynasty of FDR sure was a disaster for the US, wasn't it? Dragging us out of the Depression, winning WWII...

If Hillary is the Democratic candidate then I am voting for a third party.

The Chelsea Clinton thing is pretty far-fetched. Chelsea is off quietly working for a hedge fund, has never shown any interest in politics, is rarely seen at campaign events and has gone out of her way to protect her privacy.

Jenna Bush on the other hand is being groomed as the Bush successor and are getting her ready for a political career. She is doing an obligatory stint as a teacher for underprivileged kids in Latin America, she wrote a book about a Hispanic woman with HIV, she is making the media rounds on Diane Sawyer and Larry King Live and they are marrying her off to the son of a prominent high powered Virginia GOP family. They are completely remaking her image overnight from goofy party girl to poised politician in waiting.

This country has always had an aristocracy of wealth, and its members have often gone into politics. Some of them have been disasters (the Bush family) and others not so much (Teddy Roosevelt, probably the second best Republican president ever, and FDR, the best Democrat ever--and FDR was even married to another Roosevelt (Eleanor was TR's niece and her maiden name was Roosevelt.) The Kennedys are somewhere in between.

The Clintons, at least, are a recent addition to this aristocracy, with both having relatively humble origins.

Jeb Bush, the Bush son that was supposed to be president

I for one have never heard that before. In fact, he's always been the Bush brother regarded as least-likely to run for the presidency.

For one, he married a minority. Mixing races!

@9, if i recall correctly, the jeb bushes have a dreamy latino son that must be around chelsea's age.

but anyway, hillary doesn't come from the clinton bloodline, dude. she's a rodham.

Peggy Noonan is only "concerened" because it might be a Clinton in the White House. If it were a Bush who might be winning (or, better yet, a Reagan) she would be wetting herself with glee.

And Monkey - while I won't comment on the possibility of another terrorist attack, or its source, one thing I'm certain you don't have to worry about is W lingering. He wants to get out there and start collecting the big bucks on the speaking circuit. He'll be able to drink all he wants, and no one will care. He and Laura can live entirely separate lives, and no one will notice. He's itching to get out of there.

Please. I'd much rather have Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton than Bush/Clinton/Bush/Giuliani. Would Sullivan?

I'm looking for the Gore - Obama - Clinton - Gore(daughter) - Clinton(daughter) - Obama (wife) dynasty personally.