Slog - Comments on Did Jane Hague Dupe the County for 7 Years?

Comment by Mr. Poe

Mr. Poe — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:51:48 -0800

"Are you trying to call me a liar?"

Yes. Yes, Mrs. Hag, we're calling you a liar.

"I have made every effort to represent my educational background exactly as it is, that I have attended a four-year institution of higher learning, Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo. Somehow if there have been erroneous publications, then I have to accept the full responsibility."

Oh, we know you will. You will.

Hague's campaign ran into trouble last month when news broke that she had been arrested June 2 on suspicion of drunken driving. Hague apologized earlier this month for her sarcastic and profane comments to a sheriff's deputy and two state troopers involved in her arrest under her married name, Jane Hague Springman.

Wow. She sounds like a total fucking bitch.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:18 -0800

I am shocked.

Shocked that a GOP elected would LIE.

Oh, wait, no that's normal for those God-hating scum hypocrites.

Comment by Ebenezer

Ebenezer — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:17:46 -0800

I like your thinking here, Josh. That'd explain why she continued to list her bachelor's and approve it as part of her candidate questionnaires. I think researching whether or not it was part of the qualifications is part of your job, as well as if she listed it in her job application.

I also think the D's really screwed up by not having an actual Democrat file for her seat. This is one of those snowball stories that's still got a way to grow, and I don't think she'd win if the D's had someone to oppose her. Oh well, there's always Richard Pope.

Comment by neo-realist

neo-realist — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:48:19 -0800

Nobody bothered to question her qualifications because she's an (upper middle class?) suburban white female. She's assumed to legitimate and investigation is unnecessary.

Comment by Luigi Giovanni

Luigi Giovanni — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:16:29 -0800

Josh, I realize that a district on the Eastside doesn't fit the scope of your normal coverage. However, you're a reporter allegedly. As Dan would say, get off your ass and get busy.

Comment by kk

kk — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:19 -0800

Maybe Richard Pope will finally get elected due to Jane Hague's incessant lying blame-others bullshit. I used to think Richard Pope being elected something would be a joke but then W. was appointed president. I also used to think the Pope (not Richard, the one in Rome) was the antichrist but he has clearly ceded that role to W. All the things I used to think keep changing, mostly thanks to Slog . . . .

Comment by Beavis

Beavis — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:51:43 -0800

I don't think this exactly helps JH, but Dean Logan didn't have a college degree. Far as I know, he never even went.

Comment by Ebenezer

Ebenezer — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:08:39 -0800

Is Richard related to Alexander? Alexander said:

"He who tells a lie is not sensible of how great a task he undertakes; for he must be forced to invent twenty more to maintain that one."

Perhaps Jane has more lies waiting to be discovered.

Comment by Emily G

Emily G — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:22:40 -0800

Maybe the public intern could run as a write-in candidate so the folks in the district would have a more palatable choice. I suppose he'd have to move to Bellevue, or wherever it is Hague's seat is, but hey, it would be for the public good! Jane Hague certainly shouldn't be in a job where she might have to drive somewhere, and Richard Pope? Ug. Public Intern for County Council!

Comment by CC

CC — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:03:05 -0800

Hague's behavior in the DUI situation and misrepresentation of her qualifications are inexcusable. However, there is one unfortunate underlying circumstance in all this: Sharp, competent people who for whatever reason left college early, feeling they have to lie because they will not be accepted without a degree. If you are a hiring manager, you know that a degree doesn't necessarily turn a person into a competent potential employee. I hire in a highly skilled white-collar discipline and have met high-school graduates with more talent and industriousness than most of the master's-degree holders who have sent their resumes in. There are a few careers in the world where you do need all the higher education you can get -- doctor comes to mind. But for many disciplines, you also can learn in independent study and on the job. Or just through your own smarts. Look at the world's richest man, in our own backyard, degreeless. Looking strictly at the "should they have had a degree" aspect in the case of Hague and others who recently have been "exposed" as degreeless -- if you get to your 40s or later and you have proven yourself talented and competent despite your degreelessness, what you did or did not do in college 20 or more years earlier becomes utterly irrelevant. Providing, of course, you don't lie about it. Ever.

Comment by ec

ec — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:08:22 -0800

Hague likely didn't fill out an application for the Records/Elections Manager position -- she was a political appointment. Also, Dean Logan, KC's former R/E manager didn't have a college degree. I think the County Council added that requirement when they also required that the Executive's R/E manager be confirmed by the Council.

Comment by Pedigree Police

Pedigree Police — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:23:08 -0800

I have read a lot of resumes. Tons of people put down college attendance even though they did not complete the degree. You can put it down without claiming to have completed a degree.

It is even more common in Master's Degrees because people will complete all of the required course work and fail to complete their thesis. As long as you don't claim that you received the degree there is absolutely no harm done in stating that you attended and even completed the coursework.

In many instances experience can be substituted for education. I think that's totally valid.

Comment by dandy

dandy — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:49:33 -0800

Question: Before Jane was elected to King County
council she served for 4 years on the Bellevue City council. What educatioal information did she then claim ?